Comments on: Which ‘Major Government Offices’ Contained N. Korean Moles? http://freekorea.us/2006/12/08/which-major-government-offices-contained-n-korean-moles/ Tue, 22 May 2012 09:51:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: OneFreeKorea » Links for 23 Oct 07 http://freekorea.us/2006/12/08/which-major-government-offices-contained-n-korean-moles/comment-page-1/#comment-55232 OneFreeKorea » Links for 23 Oct 07 Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:53:22 +0000 http://freekorea.us/?p=6227#comment-55232 [...] *  More hand-biting from North Korea, accusing well-known hegemonistic expansionist Roh Moo Hyun of violating its territorial waters.  How odd, since I’m eagerly awaiting the transition of power and start of the North Korean influence scandals relating to the Roh Administration and the former Uri Party.  Three sources of intense curiosity to me:  National Assembly member Im Jong In, the still-unnamed “major government offices,” and the still-unnamed cabinet secretary. [...] [...] *  More hand-biting from North Korea, accusing well-known hegemonistic expansionist Roh Moo Hyun of violating its territorial waters.  How odd, since I’m eagerly awaiting the transition of power and start of the North Korean influence scandals relating to the Roh Administration and the former Uri Party.  Three sources of intense curiosity to me:  National Assembly member Im Jong In, the still-unnamed “major government offices,” and the still-unnamed cabinet secretary. [...]

]]> By: OneFreeKorea » The Death of an Alliance, Part 67 http://freekorea.us/2006/12/08/which-major-government-offices-contained-n-korean-moles/comment-page-1/#comment-53412 OneFreeKorea » The Death of an Alliance, Part 67 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:02:31 +0000 http://freekorea.us/?p=6227#comment-53412 [...] Which only causes me to wonder just what will be revealed of the rest of the Il Shim Hue spy ring story after the new crew takes over the Blue House.  Surely the shredding crew will miss something (more fuel for that speculation here).  And it wouldn’t be South Korea if the ex-president wasn’t disgraced (and quite probably, imprisoned). [...] [...] Which only causes me to wonder just what will be revealed of the rest of the Il Shim Hue spy ring story after the new crew takes over the Blue House.  Surely the shredding crew will miss something (more fuel for that speculation here).  And it wouldn’t be South Korea if the ex-president wasn’t disgraced (and quite probably, imprisoned). [...]

]]> By: OneFreeKorea » Il Shim Hue Members Convicted, Sentenced, and Probably Confused http://freekorea.us/2006/12/08/which-major-government-offices-contained-n-korean-moles/comment-page-1/#comment-35799 OneFreeKorea » Il Shim Hue Members Convicted, Sentenced, and Probably Confused Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:58:24 +0000 http://freekorea.us/?p=6227#comment-35799 [...] The irony of this result is that if the Il Shim Hue case had a weakness, it wasn’t the question of the organization of this conspiracy so much as the confidentiality of the information they sent to North Korea.  The subversion case always seemed stronger han the espionage case.  Il Shim Hue was a full-service fifth column cell.  It was at least one of North Korea’s chosen tools for fanning the hatred of America in South Korea, for plotting both large and small-scale political violence, for trying to manipulate at least one very significant election, and for gaining a high degree of influence over one minor opposition party.  There’s little question that it was an active, well-organized cell whose lines of control came from Pyongyang, through Jang, by far the best paid member, down to the other members.  The information passed back to Pyongyang seems to have been a fairly minor part of their activities.  But for whatever reason, the court and the prosecution took a different path. [...] [...] The irony of this result is that if the Il Shim Hue case had a weakness, it wasn’t the question of the organization of this conspiracy so much as the confidentiality of the information they sent to North Korea.  The subversion case always seemed stronger han the espionage case.  Il Shim Hue was a full-service fifth column cell.  It was at least one of North Korea’s chosen tools for fanning the hatred of America in South Korea, for plotting both large and small-scale political violence, for trying to manipulate at least one very significant election, and for gaining a high degree of influence over one minor opposition party.  There’s little question that it was an active, well-organized cell whose lines of control came from Pyongyang, through Jang, by far the best paid member, down to the other members.  The information passed back to Pyongyang seems to have been a fairly minor part of their activities.  But for whatever reason, the court and the prosecution took a different path. [...]

]]> By: OneFreeKorea » Empty Threats http://freekorea.us/2006/12/08/which-major-government-offices-contained-n-korean-moles/comment-page-1/#comment-8016 OneFreeKorea » Empty Threats Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:23:55 +0000 http://freekorea.us/?p=6227#comment-8016 [...] The conventional Korean War has been a standoff since 1953.  The unconventional Korean War has raged ever since.  Over the intervening years, North Korea has provoked air and naval skirmishes, infiltrated commandoes into the South, orchestrated terrorist attacks, and killed the wife of the South Korean President right in front of him.  This unconventional war rages to this day:  the North Koreans run a sophisticated political subversion operation in the South, proliferate weapons of mass destruction, and have engaged in ambitious economic warfare against the United States for years.  [...] [...] The conventional Korean War has been a standoff since 1953.  The unconventional Korean War has raged ever since.  Over the intervening years, North Korea has provoked air and naval skirmishes, infiltrated commandoes into the South, orchestrated terrorist attacks, and killed the wife of the South Korean President right in front of him.  This unconventional war rages to this day:  the North Koreans run a sophisticated political subversion operation in the South, proliferate weapons of mass destruction, and have engaged in ambitious economic warfare against the United States for years.  [...]

]]> By: OneFreeKorea » KCTU Thugs May Have to Switch to PVC Pipe http://freekorea.us/2006/12/08/which-major-government-offices-contained-n-korean-moles/comment-page-1/#comment-7432 OneFreeKorea » KCTU Thugs May Have to Switch to PVC Pipe Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:58:35 +0000 http://freekorea.us/?p=6227#comment-7432 [...] When I testified before the House International Relations Committee last September, one of the issues I raised was a report that the South Korean government was funding “civic groups” that habitually engaged in violence (see page 18), including the protests at Camp Humphreys last year. More recently, some of the leaders of those protests, and other violent anti-American protests, have been exposed and indicted as North Korean agents. This should not have surprised anyone. The head of the group providing most of the muscle at Humphreys, the Korean Confederation of Trade Unions, was openly spouting North Korean propaganda. “During the May 1 North-South Workers’ Rally in Pyongyang, the workers of North and South agreed to unify to carry out the anti-American struggle… The center of that struggle with the United States is Daechu-ri, Pyeongtaek.” – Kim Tae-Il, “General Secretary” of the KTCU [...] [...] When I testified before the House International Relations Committee last September, one of the issues I raised was a report that the South Korean government was funding “civic groups” that habitually engaged in violence (see page 18), including the protests at Camp Humphreys last year. More recently, some of the leaders of those protests, and other violent anti-American protests, have been exposed and indicted as North Korean agents. This should not have surprised anyone. The head of the group providing most of the muscle at Humphreys, the Korean Confederation of Trade Unions, was openly spouting North Korean propaganda. “During the May 1 North-South Workers’ Rally in Pyongyang, the workers of North and South agreed to unify to carry out the anti-American struggle… The center of that struggle with the United States is Daechu-ri, Pyeongtaek.” – Kim Tae-Il, “General Secretary” of the KTCU [...]

]]> By: virtual wonderer http://freekorea.us/2006/12/08/which-major-government-offices-contained-n-korean-moles/comment-page-1/#comment-5912 virtual wonderer Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:34:27 +0000 http://freekorea.us/?p=6227#comment-5912 I got nothing against capital punishment. But when this Ilshimhwe thing was "unearthed", I've been saying that it's not in Korea's conservative's best interest. You know and I know they are communists. But so what? The new political power of SK is the 386ers and they no longer trusts the ROK government and especially the NIS from their political excesses in the past. They are making the Ilshimhwe freaks into a political martyrs. Come on, the DLP isn't a political threat to anybody. I couldn't help notice this sentence from you, "I look forward to the day when the United States asks to extradite Mr. Jang. " The thing is, the very fact that I am not hearing any extradition talks coming from the US makes all this thing fishy. If what they say is true, then Jang has commited treason against United States. If US State Department isn't asking for extradition, I have to assume that they have a good reason why. And if you don't have confidence of ROK intelligence service and/or prosecution (and I don't), then we must assume that the error is likely to come from NIS. Did they break any laws? Maybe under South Korea's security laws. But the thing is, if they do go to jail, it might just flair up another round of protests that the government is trying to take away rights and is kow towing to Americans. It just seems to be another example of now GNPish people constantly shoot temselves in the foot and allow people whose popularity rating is below the teens to gain power. I got nothing against capital punishment. But when this Ilshimhwe thing was “unearthed”, I’ve been saying that it’s not in Korea’s conservative’s best interest. You know and I know they are communists. But so what? The new political power of SK is the 386ers and they no longer trusts the ROK government and especially the NIS from their political excesses in the past. They are making the Ilshimhwe freaks into a political martyrs. Come on, the DLP isn’t a political threat to anybody. I couldn’t help notice this sentence from you,

“I look forward to the day when the United States asks to extradite Mr. Jang. ”

The thing is, the very fact that I am not hearing any extradition talks coming from the US makes all this thing fishy. If what they say is true, then Jang has commited treason against United States. If US State Department isn’t asking for extradition, I have to assume that they have a good reason why. And if you don’t have confidence of ROK intelligence service and/or prosecution (and I don’t), then we must assume that the error is likely to come from NIS.

Did they break any laws? Maybe under South Korea’s security laws. But the thing is, if they do go to jail, it might just flair up another round of protests that the government is trying to take away rights and is kow towing to Americans.

It just seems to be another example of now GNPish people constantly shoot temselves in the foot and allow people whose popularity rating is below the teens to gain power.

]]> By: Spy Scandal Indictments at ROK Drop http://freekorea.us/2006/12/08/which-major-government-offices-contained-n-korean-moles/comment-page-1/#comment-5785 Spy Scandal Indictments at ROK Drop Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:06:03 +0000 http://freekorea.us/?p=6227#comment-5785 [...] All this spy scandal does is confirm what everyone already knew, that the anti-US activities in South Korea are organized by North Korean agents in order to drive a wedge between the US and South Korea.  I can accept the fact that North Korea is conducting anti-US activities in South Korea; that is to be expected, but what I can’t accept are the politicians in South Korea that jump on any anti-US issue in order to demagoge the issue to their own political advantage.  That is what gives the anti-US groups legitimacy in the Korean public when they see the politicians taking up the anti-US causes.  Then again the political demagoguery of anti-US issues was enough to get one them elected President. Go check out One Free Korea for a great analysis of the indictments. [...] [...] All this spy scandal does is confirm what everyone already knew, that the anti-US activities in South Korea are organized by North Korean agents in order to drive a wedge between the US and South Korea.  I can accept the fact that North Korea is conducting anti-US activities in South Korea; that is to be expected, but what I can’t accept are the politicians in South Korea that jump on any anti-US issue in order to demagoge the issue to their own political advantage.  That is what gives the anti-US groups legitimacy in the Korean public when they see the politicians taking up the anti-US causes.  Then again the political demagoguery of anti-US issues was enough to get one them elected President. Go check out One Free Korea for a great analysis of the indictments. [...]

]]> By: Joshua http://freekorea.us/2006/12/08/which-major-government-offices-contained-n-korean-moles/comment-page-1/#comment-5769 Joshua Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:05:32 +0000 http://freekorea.us/?p=6227#comment-5769 Yes, I believe that when you attempt to subvert a democracy with violence and replace it with a system that mass murders its own population, the death penalty may be appropriate. Really, these men were trying to pave the way for war and oppression with malice aforethought, knowing that it would kill millions. I read your blog and I know that you oppose the death penalty in ALL circumstances. You would oppose it for Osama bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, those who plan car bombings that kill civilians in Iraq, Jeffrey Dahmer, you name it. I guess I could call that scary, however, I'd rather call it yet another a difference of opinion and perspective between Europe and America. I think, at times, that we are as different from you as we are from the Middle East. Yes, I believe that when you attempt to subvert a democracy with violence and replace it with a system that mass murders its own population, the death penalty may be appropriate. Really, these men were trying to pave the way for war and oppression with malice aforethought, knowing that it would kill millions.

I read your blog and I know that you oppose the death penalty in ALL circumstances. You would oppose it for Osama bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, those who plan car bombings that kill civilians in Iraq, Jeffrey Dahmer, you name it. I guess I could call that scary, however, I’d rather call it yet another a difference of opinion and perspective between Europe and America. I think, at times, that we are as different from you as we are from the Middle East.

]]> By: Antti http://freekorea.us/2006/12/08/which-major-government-offices-contained-n-korean-moles/comment-page-1/#comment-5764 Antti Sat, 09 Dec 2006 10:49:15 +0000 http://freekorea.us/?p=6227#comment-5764 <i>Expect the trials to be completed before the winner of the 2007 election takes office, or these fellows stand a serious chance of going directly where I’d send them: presuming the sufficiency of the evidence, to hang. </i> If I read this correctly, you are advocating death sentence for these people. That is scary, very scary, but let's say that I'm not surprised to see you say that. Fortunately South Korea is on its way to abolish death sentence alltogether. Expect the trials to be completed before the winner of the 2007 election takes office, or these fellows stand a serious chance of going directly where I’d send them: presuming the sufficiency of the evidence, to hang.
If I read this correctly, you are advocating death sentence for these people. That is scary, very scary, but let’s say that I’m not surprised to see you say that. Fortunately South Korea is on its way to abolish death sentence alltogether.

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