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Holocaust Now: Looking Down Into Hell at Camp 22

Those who have lived to tell us about Camp 22, located in the bleak northeastern tip of North Korea, can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and all of them are former guards or staff. Of all of North Korea’s numerous labor camps and detention facilities, large and small, Camp 22 is one of the largest, and almost certainly the most terrible, if only for the inhuman experiments witnesses say were done to the men, women, children, and even infants sent there.

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[The scale of North Korea’s Concentration Camp System. 0:42]

[Source: BBC, “Access to Evil“]

North Korea’s system of spying, thought-control, isolation, and terror may have no equal in human history. That is how Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il kept the secrets of Camp 22 inside its ten-foot wire fences and distinctive blocky guard posts for decades. That changed when satellite photography went public. Since then, Google Earth has revealed the world’s most secret places to armies of amateur “squints.” Satellite photography was available to the human rights researcher David Hawk when he set to work on “The Hidden Gulag,” his ground-breaking study of North Korea’s forced labor camps. Hawk’s interviews with survivors and former guards alone would not have had the same impact had those witnesses not been able to point to those photographs and say,

“This is the detention center,” he said. “If someone goes inside this building, in three months he will be dead or disabled for life. In this corner they decided about the executions, who to execute and whether to make it public.

“This is the Kim Il Sung institute, a movie house for officers. Here is watchdog training. And guard training ground.” Pointing to another spot, he said: “This is the garbage pond where the two kids were killed when guard kicked them in pond.”

This also allows us to begin our tour from a base line of more-or-less known fact. Absolute certainty will have to wait for the day when Camp 22 is liberated. For Google Earth newbies, you can download the program here. Each screen grab also shows the scale, coordinates, altitude, and attitude, in case you want to have a look for yourself.

Google Earth’s high-resolution imagery covers less than half of Camp 22, the portion that you will view — and escape — from the warmth and comfort of your home today. As I write this, North Korea has declared four days of celebration for Kim Jong Il’s 65th birthday, and it is just possible that the inmates of Camp 22 will be permitted a few days of rest from the mines and farms there, where the prisoners usually labor 12 or more hours a day, seven days a week.

Camp 22 is said to hold 50,000 men, women, and children. We can only see one portion of the camp with Google Earth’s high-resolution photography.

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The yellow scale line to the right of the fence line is just shy of 14 miles. According to “The Hidden Gulag,” the whole camp is 31 miles long by 25 miles wide. That works out to over 700 square miles, but if one makes allowances for the camp’s irregular shape, a rough estimate of 500 square miles seems more likely. That would make it as big as the city of Los Angeles. Where high-resolution photography is available, it’s not hard to see the fence line punctuated at intervals of about 1200 feet by guard posts (below, left), buttressed, in places, by smaller guard shacks like these (below, right).

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I couldn’t explain these unusual ditches until I noted this MSNBC report, claiming that the camp is surrounded by “land mines and man-traps.”

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It’s impossible to draw any firm conclusion, but these ditches could be “tiger traps” whose coverings have weathered away. It’s certainly hard to imagine what other reason there could be for digging trench lines like this along the fence line of a forced labor camp.

[Kwon Hyuk describes the camps’ electric fences and spiked moats. 0:52]

[Source: BBC, “Access to Evil”]

The camp is in a remote area, surrounded mostly by forest. In a few areas, however, just beyond the fence, the lives of North Korea’s peasant farmers, such as they are, go on.

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They cannot read foreign newspapers, listen to foreign broadcasts, possess cell phones or radios that can pick up unauthorized broadcasts, express unauthorized opinions, or travel abroad without fear of entering this gate. The state owns everything, including the meager rations they grow, and on which they live. Still, for farmers in North Korea, survival is a little easier than it is for workers in the blighted factory towns where unemployed survivors of the Great Famine still live by stripping the ruins of copper wire. Just the same, one suspects that the farmers know what’s good for them. Most likely, they stay away from the fence, keep their eyes on the soil, and never mention it.

[Update, 4/2007: The camp’s presence is impossible to ignore completely when it intrudes into the lives of those who live near it, of course. While living in Seoul, a Korean-American teacher, Joseph Songhoon Lee, met and taught a defector who had lived just outside the camp’s gate, perhaps near the area imaged above. Lee described the defector’s experiences in a recent article for the Washington Post:

[B] graduated from School 34 a few weeks ago and is studying at Sungkyunkwan University, one of the nation’s top colleges. He grew up a few minutes away from one of North Korea’s most notorious political prisons, Prison 22 in Hyeryung, Ham-Kyung Province, at the northern tip of North Korea. Because food and alcohol are scarce in the countryside, the prison guards went to [B’s] house for libations. “They always drank heavily,” he told me. “And when they got drunk, they would mumble about how sorry they felt for what they did to prisoners.”

I redacted information identifying the defector at Mr. Lee’s request. End Update.]

The guard posts are the most distinctive feature of the North Korean camps to a Google-Earther. Here, for example, are Camp 14 (left) and Camp 18 (right), near the town of Sunchon …

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I first posted pictures of Camp 16 (below, left) here. It’s near North Korea’s nuclear and missile testing ranges. Camp 15 (below, right) near the town of Yodok, became infamous after survivor Kang Chol Hwan described it in “The Aquariums of Pyongyang.”

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[Former child prisoner and author Kang Chol Hwan describes how prisoners were forced to stone each other to death at Camp 15. 1:01]

[Source: Discovery Channel, “Children of the Secret State“]

[Clandestine footage of Camp 15, Yodok. 0:50]

[Source: CNN, “Undercover in the Secret State“]

You can’t help but think that some of these places would be beautiful if their stories were less sad. Camp 16, according to “The Hidden Gulag,” is a place of exile for families of the condemned. In North Korea’s Confucian society, in which every word of the late Great Leader Kim Il Sung is worshipped as holy scripture, the regime strictly obeys his order to root out class enemies for three generations. That’s why North Korea doesn’t just arrest the person who sings a South Korean pop song or makes an unguarded remark about the food supply. It arrests that person’s husband or wife, parents, and children, too.

[Survivor describes North Korea’s system of heredetary punishment of entire families. 0:54]

[Source: BBC, “Access to Evil”]

For the children of Camp 22, life is short and hard.

One unforgettable image, there were two girls and they were trying to take out a piece of noodle from one polluted water pond where they put the garbage. And one guard kicked the kids into the small pond, and they drowned. The pond was very deep, and I felt really sad about that.

Ahn reports that of the 1,500 to 2,000 prisoners who died each year from malnutrition alone, most were kids. This figure does not include deaths from disease, torture, execution, or from the casual murders he recollects:

I saw numerous prisoners killed, especially by beating. I saw one person age between 40 and 50 — he’s old enough because the average age of prisoner is between 40-50 — he was working in brick factory. And as he was older he was moving slowly, he was not working well. And the team master tramped on his loin, and the bone was broken. He was hit by an iron rod that is used to start vehicle engines, and I heard the next day he died.

For others, death is a gradual process of human breakage and dismemberment:

At that time the tunnel was passing near the pig pen of the camp, and about 500 political prisoners were participating and there was one female named Han Jin Duk, 26 years old. I was in charge of giving food to the pigs. And my supervisor, when he saw the woman, she was beautiful. And he raped her, and he was found by the watchman officer. And he was investigated. My superior, his rank was reduced and the woman was sent to the detention center And then I didn’t see her for one year.

One day I was going to the place to load the coal, I met her. And I noticed she was exactly that woman, and I asked her, how you could survive. And she told me, that yes, I survived. But she showed me her body, and it was all burned by fire.

After six months I met her at the corn storage in Kusan district and found her putting on a used tire on her knees because her legs were cut off. Because of a coal mine wagon ran over her knees. And all she could do now was separate the corn grains from the cob.

[Camp survivor describes torture he experienced in the camps. 1:52]

[Source: BBC, “Access to Evil”]

And as we will see, Camp 22 may hide greater horrors than even this.

Two of Camp 22’s gates are visible from the air. Looking closely at this gate, the southernmost of the two (below, left), you can actually see a group of people standing in the courtyard, and another behind one of the buildings. Are these guards? Or is this a new crop of prisoners being brought in? Further north is the main gate (below, right), which lies on the road to the town of Hoeryong.

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Just a few meters from the gate is the place through which trains enter and leave Camp 22, carrying coal from the Chungbong Coal Mine inside the camp to the power plant at Chongjin and the steel mill at Kimchaek. Here you can see another guardpost, and a curious catwalk over the tracks. This, I speculate, is to allow guards to make sure that no prisoner can hide inside any of the coal cars.

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Following the tracks west, I even found one of the coal trains.

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This is the Chungbong Coal Mine, inside the camp. If you compare the image on the left to the previously published one on the right, there isn’t much doubt that it’s the same one the witnesses identified to David Hawk, who published this photograph of the mine with his report.

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Closer in, we can see the mine in more detail: a row of hand-cars just outside the tunnel entrance, and piles of mine timbers. The resolution is even good enough for us to see oxcarts passing each other on the road south of the mine. In other places, you can even see individual people walking on the road. The oxcarts give some idea of the size of the huts in which the prisoners live.

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My image of a concentration camp’s housing is of neat rows of barracks like this. When I first saw the satellite photos of Camp 22, they were not what I expected. From the air, it could almost be any ordinary village or neighborhood, but for the fence that surrounds it, and for the reports of the witnesses. Prisoners, some of them with their families, mostly live in small huts.

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As with most of North Korea’s labor camps, housing is clustered in fairly small groups. Many other prisoners are housed in much smaller villages, like these:

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There’s really no telling why North Korea houses its prisoners this way, but it makes sense from the perspective of cold logic. As even the Nazis learned, camps are more secure if they’re less concentrated. Two dozen prisoners in a small village present much less of a threat of rebellion than, say, the large group of prisoners who rose up in the Onsong Camp in 1997. The uprising ended with 5,000 dead, and Kim Jong Il reportedly ordered every trace of the place scraped off the face of the earth. It’s easier to guess why prisoners are housed in huts; the camps’ main method of control is to keep inmates on the verge of starvation and extend them small rewards for informing on each other. That, and the hut-style housing, limit the opportunities to think unauthorized thoughts.

[Kwon Hyuk describes torturing and killing entire families at Camp 22 as punishment for the infractions of one family member or neighbor. 1:18]

[Source: BBC, “Access to Evil”]

Where, you may wonder, are the bodies buried? Ahn Myong Chol answers:

Not only here but all other places, even in the small hills they bury bodies. And when we cut the trees down, sometimes we find a buried body. Not only here, but all around here are buried bodies.

In the hills here, if there is some flat area, it is covered with graves. And if people start to farm there, they find bodies or bones.

Ahn doesn’t describe a specific location, but if you look at the thinly wooded hills around the housing areas, that’s where they’re probably buried. All I can make is an educated guess, but I’ll guess that this hill is a likely site.

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I called my guess “educated:” traditionally, Koreans bury their dead in round graves on high places. Relatives care for the graves of their loved ones. Proper Korean graves are covered with carefully trimmed grass. Clearly, proper burials are not always possible at Camp 22, but if you look closely at this hill, which sits just next to the larger housing area pictured above, you can actually make out a few light, round patches of disturbed earth.

[Ahn Myong Chol tells about North Korea’s killing fields, and how mutilated bodies were left to decompose in the woods. 1:58]

[Sources: Discovery Channel, “Children of the Secret State”; National Geographic Channel, “Inside North Korea“]

I served in South Korea with the U.S. Army for four years, from 1998 to 2002. As I was serving in Korea, more survivors of the camps began to describe the conditions there. We already heard about the completely preventable famine that killed about 2 million North Koreans while Kim Jong Il built a nuclear arsenal and bought artillery, submarines, missiles, and MiG’s. For the soldiers, in a way, none of this really mattered much. Most soldiers tend to be fairly apolitical. For those who kept up with the reports, it only reinforced what we knew, but could not really change, about the brutality of life inside North Korea. What struck me more was why South Koreans didn’t care. This comment on my blog typifies the mixture of denial and justification so many South Koreans, especially the young, applied to the horrors in the North. It’s a wierd witch’s brew of nationalism and socialism that, in its various forms, periodically incinerates lives by the millions.

Just after I left Korea, while I was still on active duty, I read two reports that haunt me to this day. One was this BBC report, citing the accounts of multiple survivors, that North Korea kills the babies of refugee women China forcibly repatriates:

One woman told of being forced to assist injection-induced labours and then watching as a baby was suffocated with a wet towel in front of its mother. Many former prisoners told of babies buried alive or left face down on the ground to die. They were told by guards this was to prevent the survival of half-Chinese babies. If fleeing North Koreans are discovered by Chinese police, they are almost always returned home.

None of this was enough to interfere with China scoring the 2008 Olympics, or with its favorable trade relations.

At the time I read this, my son, who is half Korean, was two months old. It was one of two times in my adult life I can recall having broken down and wept. The other was when I read this:

‘I witnessed a whole family being tested on suffocating gas and dying in the gas chamber,’ he said. ‘The parents, son and and a daughter. The parents were vomiting and dying, but till the very last moment they tried to save kids by doing mouth-to-mouth breathing.’

Hyuk has drawn detailed diagrams of the gas chamber he saw. He said: ‘The glass chamber is sealed airtight. It is 3.5 metres wide, 3m long and 2.2m high_ [There] is the injection tube going through the unit. Normally, a family sticks together and individual prisoners stand separately around the corners. Scientists observe the entire process from above, through the glass.’

‘It would be a total lie for me to say I feel sympathetic about the children dying such a painful death. Under the society and the regime I was in at the time, I only felt that they were the enemies. So I felt no sympathy or pity for them at all.’ [The Guardian]

According to the “scientist” who claims to have participed it, this also happened at Camp 22.

[How families die in the gas chamber at Camp 22. 4:12]

[Source: BBC, “Access to Evil”]

There are no high-resolution images of the camp’s administration areas, where this is most likely to have happened, but “The Hidden Gulag” published this photo.

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You can see photos of the camp’s North and South sections, where are beyond the Google Earth coverage, here and here. The gas chamber reports were the basis of the BBC Television Documentary “Access to Evil.” They are not the only reports about Camp 22 that evoke the legacy of Josef Mengele. In March 2004, Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center wrote an op-ed for the Singapore Straits Times that cited the reports of a former engineer at the camp, Kang Byong Sop. Kang claimed that “political prisoners were trucked in twice a week for experiments,” and said that he saw “human hands scratching a round glass window inside a chamber that was locked with a heavy metal door.” Cooper called on North Korea to allow international inspections of Camp 22. Failing that, he did the next best thing; he flew to Seoul to interview the witnesses.

Since then, another report, attributed to British intelligence sources and published in the arch-conservative World Net Daily, made an equally horrific accusation.

“Hundreds of prisoners die there each week, the victims of biological or chemical experiments to test out [chemical and biological] weapons for North Korea’s CBW arsenal,” claims an MI6 report.

In one intelligence file is the allegation that newborn babies are taken from their mothers and injected with biological agents or given injections of chemicals that blister the skin, leaving huge keloids, the sores seen on the bodies of Hiroshima victims.

The U.S. Committee for Human Rights in North Korea believes that 400,000 people have died in North Korea’s labor camps during the last three decades. Just for comparison, Cleveland, Oakland, Omaha, and Toulouse each have just over 400,000 people. There are still an estimated 200,000 people in the camps today.

There is no way to know for certain how many of these reports are true. Kim Jong Il’s regime won’t let anyone visit the camps, except for those who go there to die. The regime denies that the camps even exist. Neither the Red Cross, nor aid workers with the World Food Program, nor the U.N. Special Rapporteur for Human Rights in North Korea has been let anywhere near the place. Human rights organizations go through the motions of publishing occasional reports criticizing the regime’s human rights record, but their few calls to inspect or close the camps attract little media attention.

Not a single government or international institution has been willing or able to confront the horrors of Camp 22. In 2004, Congress unanimously passed this law, which includes a “sense of Congress” resolution that the United States should make an issue of human rights in its dealings with North Korea. No evidence suggests that the Administration’s diplomats ever even brought the issue up. They also ignored a law requiring U.S. embassies and consulates in places like China, Laos, Thailand, and Vietnam to take in North Koreans who often go that far to escape their homeland.

On February 14th of this year, the U.S., South Korea, Japan, and Russia signed a deal with North Korea that aspires to remove it from the “terrorism” list, return to normal trade relations, and even full diplomatic relations. Some would say this is the only way to change North Korea, but it’s been tried. South Korea poured $7 billion in aid into the North over the last ten years. Kim Jong Il spent the money on weapons, millions of ordinary North Koreans starved, and Kim Jong Il never been more ruthless or better armed. Nothing in the agreement or the statements of the parties offers so much as a word of hope to the people in Camp 22, who will probably never hear of it. They will probably end up as forgotten and buried inconveniences.

U.N. General Secretary Kofi Annan recently apologized for doing nothing while 800,000 Rwandans were murdered. Meanwhile, the killing went on at Camp 22. Neither Annan, nor his High Commissioner for Human Rights, nor his High Commissioner for Refugees said or did much of anything. The world has forgotten the North Korean people … at least the ones without nuclear weapons. Annan’s successor, Ban Ki Moon, built his career as South Korea’s Foreign Minister by ignoring North Korean atrocities.

The media have also failed to tell this story. The few reporters who go to North Korea seldom venture far from the capital, Pyongyang. When they do go, Internal Security Bureau minders drive them all along pretty much the same circuit of palaces, tombs, and monuments. None ever gets within miles of Camp 22, and few ask. Still, they bring us back footage of tombs and monuments and strident quotes from their minders and tell us how much more we now know about North Korea than we did before. Until the international media decides to cover the story of Camp 22, it will remain out of sight and out of mind. Now you know the story, but you’ll continue to be one of the few.

Thank you for taking a few minutes to give a thought to the people who live and die in Camp 22. Your thoughts and mine will not save them, of course, but it’s almost too much to imagine that thousands of human beings would die there without anyone mourning them, for in Camp 22, even mourning the dead is forbidden.

Update 4/2007: Here’s a corrected Digg link (thanks). If you want to join or contribute to groups that help the North Korean people or advocate for their human rights, see this post.

Dylan said,

February 18, 2007 @ 3:52 pm

Happy Lunar New Year, Joshua.
Keep blogging. This post was depressing but necessary.

David said,

February 18, 2007 @ 11:31 pm

Joshua, please keep this post on top for a while.

Chris said,

February 19, 2007 @ 3:38 am

I’m really glad you included the links to some organizations at the bottom, especially LiNK. They are having an “afternoon conversation” at USC on February 27th (if I recall correctly) that I will definitely be attending.

hoju_saram said,

February 19, 2007 @ 5:01 am

great post

Christian A. Beltram said,

February 19, 2007 @ 8:12 am

hope somebody writes a book about the North Korean Holocaust. People ned to have access to a book that that informs them in great detail about the crimes of the North Korean regime.

Joshua Foust said,

February 19, 2007 @ 10:19 am

Christian -

Several books have been written. In fact, I’ve noticed that, since I became interested in North Korea in 2002, that there is actually a large amount of information about the nightmare it is. I try to tell my friends all the time about this kind of stuff, and I would consider them abnormally compassionate and globally-aware.

They still barely care. No one seems to care that much.

DC said,

February 19, 2007 @ 10:51 am

Thank you for the information. We need to keep speaking out for the rights and freedom of the North Korean people. Thanks for the list of organizations too, I have given to LiNK before.

The Conjecturer » News Brief, Misallocation Edition said,

February 19, 2007 @ 5:58 pm

[…] A peek inside North Korea’s infamous Camp 22. Related is this brief history of domestic resistance to the Kim regime. And we refuse to admit North Korean refugees. […]

James Chen said,

February 20, 2007 @ 2:55 am

No one in the West really cared that millions died in Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam (or fleeing from these countries) after the complete takeover of Indochina by the communists. Or that tens of millions died in China, the USSR and Cuba (etc.) as well after Marxist revolutions. I sense a pattern here.

danb said,

February 20, 2007 @ 9:54 am

James Chen:

to be fair, no one in the East seems to care about NK, either.

sojourner said,

February 20, 2007 @ 11:37 am

what blows me away is these are not based on estimates or assumptions. we have pictures and witnesses for heaven’s sake. but that is what happened during the holocaust and not until we actually opened the gates to auschwitz and buchenwald did we come face to face with the full scale o the horror. and even then…..thanks for the post.

Joshua said,

February 20, 2007 @ 11:49 am

Please thank me by digging. I’m very thankful for the diggs from some of you, but 15 diggs is woefully inadequate to get this story the kind of wider circulation I hope most of us agree it merits. The searching for the images, uploading, losing the post, rewriting, and reformatting took a whole day, which is a day I spent blogging instead of playing in the snow with my kids. I guess I’m having a real “why bother?” crisis at this point. I apologize for how guilt-trippy this already sounds, but producing information that has infinitessimal impact simply does not justify such an investment of time. That’s especially so when I don’t accept ads or donations and pay for my own bandwidth.

Michael Sheehan said,

February 20, 2007 @ 12:06 pm

Take a couple of days off, Joshua.

I’m serious.

James Chen said,

February 20, 2007 @ 4:36 pm

By “West”, I am referring to Western-style democracies.

Soree said,

February 20, 2007 @ 6:47 pm

i have made a group on the facebook for promoting this article under the name of ‘us center for human rights in nk’. i hope it wont be a problem and i hope that a lot of my friends from different networks will digg this article. thank you so much for the hard work.

Joshua said,

February 20, 2007 @ 7:00 pm

Soree, Thank you very much. I have seen a significant amount of traffic coming in from “facebook” sites at different schools. Deeply appreciated….

saera said,

February 20, 2007 @ 9:13 pm

Thank you for posting this. The crisis in North Korea deserves much more attention that it’s getting right now. A book about the concentration camps (which I highly recommend) is “Eyes of the Tailless Animals” by Soon-Ok Lee. I had the privilege of hearing her speak around 6 summers ago.

Harold said,

February 20, 2007 @ 10:32 pm

You guys are doing great work… Don’t give up - Try harder.

Try not to get caught up in US politics, remember the issues you cover are beyond partisan politics.

Evidence and more importantly, awareness of the evidence will impact a Democrat just as much as a Republican.

The work you do will be recognized in history… Don’t give up - Try harder!!!

Jane Chung said,

February 20, 2007 @ 11:44 pm

Eerie how quickly I located a few of the camps you depict above. Google Earth–wow.

Frank Kim said,

February 21, 2007 @ 8:49 pm

Thanks for this post.

OneFreeKorea » The Administration’s N. Korea Strategy: Pop Smoke said,

February 23, 2007 @ 1:30 pm

[…] There’s no longer much question that the North Koreans view the Beijing pact as a temporary freeze of their plutonium program that will let them keep their bombs, their uranium program, and of course, their chem, their bio, their missiles, and the horrors of Camp 22, which North Korea dares not open for inspection.  Richard Halloran and Richardson do an excellent job of cataloguing North Korea’s statements that clarify just what this agreement means to them.  Do read every word of Richardson’s post; here’s a quote from Halloran’s piece: On that same day, however, the North Koreans, through their official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA), said Pyongyang had agreed only to a “temporary suspension of the operation of its nuclear facilities.” Further, North Korea ignored most of the other provisions of the agreement, such as denuclearizing the Korean peninsula.  [….] […]

sumin said,

February 25, 2007 @ 3:43 am

I’m in Australia researching the failure of the international community to protect NK refugees. Thanks for the reminder of the horrors inside the NK concentration camps which serves as a motivation to persevere and not become complacent.

sandy said,

February 25, 2007 @ 4:20 am

This was one of the hardest things I’ve read and digested in a long time. It was so painful that I almost threw up. I am passionate about this NK human rights issue. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for all your hard work in making us more aware than before.

Harold said,

February 25, 2007 @ 8:39 pm

Sumin, I am doing similar research in Australia at the moment… exactly looking at middle powers (in)ability to address North Korean issues… contact me harold.broken@gmail.com

Anonymous said,

March 8, 2007 @ 5:01 pm

i think that this is a really bad thing

Jordan said,

March 19, 2007 @ 7:11 am

Thx Josh for putting it up . It is a really sad thing

Louis said,

March 19, 2007 @ 7:12 am

most incidents you posted were like 1980s+ … do the camos still exist till today ?

Louis said,

March 19, 2007 @ 7:13 am

sorry I meant Camps

Joshua said,

March 19, 2007 @ 8:38 am

I don’t know which reports you refer to, Louis, but recent reports do suggest that the camps still operate.

These aerial photographs are all less than five years old. By all accounts I’ve heard, Camp 22 still exists, and the photographs obviously show activity there. By some accounts, Camp 16 was reduced in size, or shut down, while others hold that 16 is the dumping ground of families of condemned prisoners and still operates. There are no known survivors of the camp to tell us for sure, but the GE photos suggest that it
was still active when the photos were taken. The roads and buildings appear to be maintained, and you can see vehicles on the roads. If not, you would expect the building materials — roof tiles and timbers — to have been stripped. Finally, there is the fresh report of an escape that suggests that it’s still open and used as a camp.

Around 2005, a Chosun Ilbo report by Camp 15 survivor and journalist Kang Chol-Hwan suggested that some smaller camps were closed down and consolidated into just six of the larger ones. Camps 16 and 22, especially the latter, are large camps. Others that are probably still active are labor-punishment camps 1, 14, 15, and 18, the labor-reeducation camps 22, 77, and others, and numerous temporary detention site s for homeless orphans, the handicapped, transients, and some repatriated refugees. Most of the latter are fairly small and not easy to spot from the air unless they have been identified by a person familiar with the location.

Joshua said,

March 19, 2007 @ 9:19 am

Just a note on nomenclature: there are two Camps numbered 22. One is a kwan-li-so labor-punishment camp, and the other is a kyo-hwa-so labor-reeducation camp. This post refers to the former.

Eric said,

March 19, 2007 @ 5:53 pm

Joshua, I sincerely appreciate the effort you put into your post. Though it was one of the most difficult things I’ve ever had to read, it was educational and…necessary. I will pass it along to all my friends and family with the hope that it will open their eyes as it has mine. Before recent research, I had some knowledge of the horrific conditions in NK, but I didn’t know the scale or intensity until now. Your post has inspired me to move beyond self-education and to make a concerted effort to provide help, however possible. Thanks again.
God Bless,
Eric

Joshua said,

March 19, 2007 @ 6:20 pm

Thank you for those kind words.

Mark said,

March 20, 2007 @ 12:42 am

This page has a significant typographical error. The paragraph discussing Rabbi Abraham Cooper appears twice. I recommend correcting the error. As for the rest of the information, it is chilling, shocking, and demands immediate international attention and action.

Louis said,

March 20, 2007 @ 2:35 am

i have a feeling that there is nothing to do to stop the activities … The most I can do now is to pray that less people enters the camps ..

Joshua said,

March 20, 2007 @ 5:43 am

Fixed, thanks.

TellTell said,

March 20, 2007 @ 5:00 pm

Altough most of us pray that this evil regime will come down at some point, I think we’ll have to accept that this will take an extremely long time to come into fruition.

In an earlier post, I commented, that NK will most likely turn out to become another Burma. A NK with perhaps a bit more freedom, yet the clique still in place adopting a strict rule. (see under ‘ A History of NK Resistance).

Some people post here that NK is in its fourth phase of disintegration implying its breakdown and consequently its ‘freedom’ is imminent.

To these folks I can only say : wake up ! NK as it is will be with us for a long time to come.

Unfortunately.

Joshua said,

March 20, 2007 @ 6:15 pm

TellTell, You refer to this post, on the history of resistance…

http://freekorea.us/2007/03/06/can-they-do-it-a-brief-history-of-resistance-to-the-north-korean-regime/

… and this one, which sketches out the phases of collapse:

http://freekorea.us/2006/09/07/kaplan-identifies-the-problem-so-how-do-we-solve-it/

I have pointed to several specific examples that look like Phase Four in the Northeast, but that’s a different thing from saying that Pyongyang, Wonsan, or North Korea as a whole is in Phase Four (for example, I suspect that Pyongyang is in Phase Two). On the contrary, if you look at the “resistance” post, which I updated last month, you will see me arguing that because North Korea has effectively isolated its regions from one another, it can probably contain localized uprisings in the short and medium term.

If the latest reports we see are accurate, however, the Northeast is starting to see limited but more active resistance against the regime: the mass escape at Camp 16, the mass desertions by the border guards in Hoeryong, jailbreaks in Hoeryong, the merchants’ protest there, and of course, perhaps hundreds of thousands who fled the Northeast into China and risked their lives to do it. Now, I think it’s debatable whether that’s an imminent threat to Kim Jong Il’s rule, but it clearly indicates that things are fraying, and it puts additional strain of the regime’s forces. If this trend continues uninterrupted by some major intervening act, it will eventually spread and end the regime’s control.

Stage 4 is about regimes’ efforts to cut off such trends. This regime has launched some crackdowns in those areas to reconsolidate its fraying control. I can’t say to what degree those efforts will succeed in the short term, or whether they’ll merely drive them underground for a short intermission, but the regime’s countermeasures will likely sow resentment and more dissent in the long term. I can’t predict if this will translate to armed resistance in the near future — nor can you predict that it won’t — although it has in the past, as I’ve documented.

If I had to give my best guess, I’d lay odds that barring a major new infusion of regime-sustaining aid, we’ll see at least one significant popular uprising in the Northeast within the next 2-3 years. I think the most likely places for it are areas near China: Hoeryong, Chongjin, Onsong, Tanchon, Rajin, and Sinuiju (the latter three being strategically “critical” for various reasons).

In all likelihood, this uprising will be crushed initially, but things become very unpredicatable after that. Even a successful suppression could involve regime-on-regime combat, a coup attempt by officers who want to hedge their bets, a mass migration that would reach China’s borders, a localized mutiny by troops who refuse to fire on citizens, the purging of “soft” factions that would further shrink the regime’s base, the beginnings of a costly insurgency by surviving resisters, or most likely, another severe blow to popular support for the regime that would lead to even more widespread manifestations of dissent later on.

Crushing resistance would come at a higher price for the regime than it did in the 1990’s, because word would slowly but surely reach other areas of the country. Radios and cell phones are more available in the border regions these days. There is also a small but growing presence of clandestine journalists and “guerrilla cameras.” Some refugees would escape to tell the tale. Some senior regime officials might talk to journalists while visiting China, or talk to their friends in Chinese intelligence.

This is why broadcasting matters. It could break down some of those regional barriers and catalyze the spread of forbidden ideas. Broadcasting would not create dissent among the contented and loyal, nor would it transform dissent into open resistance, but it would solidify and focus the doubts of “double-thinkers” and catalyze their propagation into regions that might be “swing” districts now.

I don’t think anyone can claim to predict what “will” — or “will not” — happen in North Korea, just as it was impossible to do so in the cases of Albania or Romania in 1989, or the Soviet Union in 1990. The events that followed in both places defied a rational calculation of the odds. All of those events hinged on unpredictable and intangible human thoughts, mainly those that ensued in the minds of soldiers when ordered to open fire. In the USSR, Romania, and Albania, some did fire. Many others did not. In China and Burma, most did fire (and some probably didn’t). The different results could have hinged on the neurons in just a few dozen minds. The right broadcasting could have made a difference in how those neurons were prepared to react at the critical moment.

If you didn’t factor in the uncertainty of human intangibles and only considered armaments, the democratic revolutions of the 80’s and 90’s seemed very inprobable just days before they occurred. And in fact, they were not inevitable, either. Recall Albania’s nationwide network of bunkers allowing the regime to supposedly hold out in perpetuity, or the Securitate’s storied tunnels and food stores under Bucharest.

So we speak here not just of a military balance but of broader socioeconomic trends that, unless changed by new outside forces, are leading in a predictable and bloody direction. Those socioeconomic pressures haven’t been eased by aid to the North Korean regime as provided; rather, they’ve been contained and have simply grown, as they will probably continue to grow. I cannot say — and do not say — precisely when and how they will fracture the vessel that contains them. But we can match current reports with a given model of a political and social process.

Louis said,

March 21, 2007 @ 4:23 am

The people who wear suits and work as high officials have to do something .. someone like Bush

sandy said,

March 22, 2007 @ 3:26 pm

testing, testing

sandy said,

March 22, 2007 @ 10:40 pm

Sorry about the “testing” entry. I tried to submit some comments earlier and kept getting rejected and they were long so i wanted to test before I resubmitted another comment

sandy said,

March 22, 2007 @ 11:21 pm

Louis said, “…. there is nothing to do to stop the activities…”

While it’s probably impossible to do anything concretely and immediately for those poor people in these concentration camps right now, there are tremendous amount of different things we can do to make a difference.

1–You can pass along this as well as other websites that deal w/ NK Human Rights issues to as many people as possible thus raising the awareness.

2–You can buy a bulk of “SEOUL TRAIN” DVDs and pass them out to your family/friends, better yet, you can hold a screening in your own community, college, church, etc. If you ask Jim Butterworth, the producer, he will probably give you a discount for multiple purchases. www.seoultrain.com This website is also a great resource for those who want to do more as it gives great directions on “what to do, how to do”, etc.

3–You can support by donating whatever you can to HELPING HANDS KOREA as they’re right there in the front lines helping the NK Refugees in China and NK. www.helpinghandskorea.org. There is also another great organization called LiNK, Liberty in North Korea, which can use our support. Their web address escapes me at this moment but I believe this website has a link to it.

4–North Korea Freedom Coalition is having a NORTH KOREA FREEDOM DAY in April 2007 and they need many volunteers and participants. www.nkfreedom.org

5–You can write to Pres. Bush, Secretary Rice, your Senators and Reps and ask them to pressure both China and NK in dealing w/ this Human Rights violation issue (China is involved in that they actively searches out NK Refugees and forcibly repatriate them back to NK where they are sent to these concentration camps. This is just as bad as the regime, in my opinion). www.congress.org and look up “AUSCHWITZ IN NORTH KOREA” under the “soapbox” section.

6–You can write to the UNHCR, the United Nations High Commissioners on Refugees, and demand that they do more for the NK refugees in China as they have not done much in the past, if anything at all. Again, if you look up Seoul Train website, they list their address.

I know the problem seems so huge and we wonder what can one little person do but we are not just one little person. There are literally thousands of people around the world who are concerned about this North Korean human rights violation and if we ALL shout long enough and loud enough, we will be heard. But we have to DO something. WE can’t be “just” aware anymore. There is a quote on Chosun Journal site and it goes something like this, “…NK orphans cannot eat raised awareness”. It’s always the innocent children who suffer the most and it’s because of these little ones that i feel compelled to do something. Pray, yes, it’s VERY important and all these things that we can do seem so indirect in helping those in the concentration camps but all these things that we do eventually will lead to the destruction of the regime and the concentration camps.

Thank you, Joshua, for your HARD work. We’re w/ you and appreciate all that you do. Now, I hope this will go thru.

OneFreeKorea » As N. Korea Reverts to Form, Hill Warns Kim Jong Il said,

March 27, 2007 @ 6:51 am

[…] Now, this discussion is about to enter the land of vanishing hypotheticals (because Kim Jong Il will never agree to any of this), but I recognize that this can’t mean making North Korea into a Jeffersonian democracy overnight.  No society I’m aware of has done so successfully.  It means a timeline for meaningful progress, starting with easing the worst of the abuses up front:  opening the camps to the Red Cross, and allowing the World Food Program to set up and operate its own feeding stations throughout North Korea. […]

Louis said,

March 29, 2007 @ 8:02 am

Well , Thx Sandy for replying .. But all the organisations and Volunteer Groups can only go so far in trying to free North Korea … They are helping to the fullest now and can’t go any further . Almost no one in the world dares go against Mr.Kim Jong-il … He owns the 4th larges Military Force in the world … South Korea is helping but their efforts are wasting . They deliver rice to korea but the military sells them for a profit … I remembering reading a reply from one of you here saying something like : ” No one in the East seems to care about NK ” .. Well , the west dun really encourage the west to help … The East isn’t that strong and powerful enough … but there are organisations from the east helping …

Now how should I put it …. okay .. Imagine Kim Jong-il is 1 great guy and we are just mosquitoes … if we the mosquitoes just attack him 1 by 1 or small groups by small groups going against him … it wont work .. What we need is that every single group of mosquitoes going together and fight as one .. But that isn’t happening .. Different organisations are angry with each other …. So its hard

sandy said,

March 29, 2007 @ 9:42 pm

Thank you, Louis, for your thoughts. Yes, its hard. I do remember reading that comment about no one in the East caring and found it to be profoundly and disappointedly to be true. I have found it, even in my own little community of Korean-Americans, that they really don’t caring much. I have found that people are polite enough to listen to my rant and rave but simply do not care enough to DO something about it. But then I wonder if even I am doing enough……

I was just thinking about this latest “talk” w/ NK…..Dealing w/ Kim, Jong-Il is like dealing w/ an irrational 2 yr old the way they throw temper tantrums and “walk out”, etc. I just pray this atrocity will end soon.

OneFreeKorea » Tough Neighborhood said,

April 2, 2007 @ 6:22 am

[…] You will recall that in this post, my Google Earth tour of Camp 22, I had focused in on some of the farms just outside the main gate, on the road to Hoeryong, and wondered about the lives of the people living there. Now we know a little more. […]

Louis said,

April 2, 2007 @ 6:24 am

If it will end .. it will take more than 40 years … unless it goes on and on

OneFreeKorea » Thailand and Laos Planning Mass Repatriations of N. Korean Refugees said,

April 4, 2007 @ 6:43 am

[…] Two e-mail messages in as many days convey some very bad news about North Korean refugees in two Southeast Asian nations, Thailand and Laos.  Both nations, apparently seeing no U.S. objection and a new U.S. disinterest in the subject of human rights for North Koreans generally, are catching refugees and are planning to send them to their deaths, or a fate worse than.  A reader writes: Just caught this story on naver - It seems about 52 defectors have been aprehended by Thai authorities and if convicted of entering the country illegally are expected to be sent back to North Korea.  [Joongang Ilbo, Korean link] […]

Amanda C said,

April 9, 2007 @ 2:53 pm

This blog was so useful ! i had to write an essay on a resent genocide . When i picked Kim Il Sung i didn’t know there would be so little information about the camps. This is the only sight that really explained everything in detail. thanks so much ! I pray that this will start getting more media attention.

Joshua said,

April 9, 2007 @ 4:03 pm

Thank you, Amanda. If you wouldn’t mind doing do, I’d deeply appreciate it if you’d “digg” the post (see links at the top and bottom of the post).

OneFreeKorea » It’s Good to Be the King: Kim Jong Il’s Home and Office via Google Earth said,

April 10, 2007 @ 1:19 pm

[…] How about the rest of the North Korean people, you may ask?  Do they know that their leader lives this way while they starve, and while their kids are stunted from malnutrition?  In most cases, probably not.  For those who raise such questions, you can learn more about their living arrangements here. […]

Dae-jung said,

April 11, 2007 @ 4:59 pm

LONG LIVE KIM JONG-IL, PRINCE OF PEACE, OUR GLORIOUS LEADER!!

The myth of this “Camp 22″ is one woven with threads of capitalist lies! There IS NO Camp 22, stop scapegoating our glorious leader!

OneFreeKorea » Anju Links for 13 Feb 2007 said,

April 13, 2007 @ 8:33 am

[…] *  At Least Al Gore Claimed Credit for Inventing Something Positive.  I expect a candidate’s staffers to shill for him, but it does stretch even the limited credibility of a shill for Kim Jong Bill’s© campaign site to claim credit for a North Korea “breakthrough” (ht:  a different Richardson) that not even Nancy Pelosi has the constitutional authority or personal prescence to have signed.  Notably absent are pictures of the guv touring the U.S.S. Pueblo.  See you on the 13th, guys.  Note to Gov. Richardson’s staff:  do you or your candidate have any idea what goes on in Camp 22?  Has your candidate ever said the words, “Camp 22,” such as in one of the governor’s many conversations with the North Koreans?  Is Gov. Richardson just having fun playing diplomat, does he have clientitis, or is he actually trying to give Kim Jong Il a free hand to perpetuate crimes against humanity that are on the same infamy scale as Mauthausen and Tuol Sleng?  Speak up, Kim Jong Bill. […]

Kim Jong-Bill’s “Breakthrough” at ROK Drop said,

April 13, 2007 @ 5:25 pm

[…] I am posting Richardson’s comments in full because Governor Richardson’s site has a policy of deleting comments they don’t like which is what One Free Korea found out when he posted on Governor Richardson’s site. OFK asked if Governor Richardson mentioned anything about Camp 22 to the North Koreans during his visit. This was taken as a troll comment and deleted by the site administrators and here was the reason given: This morning I deleted three posts that appeared in quick one right after each other last night. All three were particularly critical of Gov. Richardson. While this website isn’t supposed to be a Richardson lovefest with no criticism allowed, we are a “for Richardson” site. […]

OneFreeKorea » ‘Kim Jong’ Bill Richardson and Camp 22 said,

April 13, 2007 @ 10:26 pm

[…] So I asked “kencamp” if Bill Richardson had ever found the time to ask his North Korean friends — the ones who respect and listen to him, we are told — about a place known as Camp 22, which is very possibly the worst place on earth.  Here is the answer I got: About Deleting Posts […]

OneFreeKorea » ‘So many people died, they wrapped bodies in plastic sheets and buried them in a mountain.’ said,

April 18, 2007 @ 9:36 pm

[…] Often in the past, North Korea had been relatively lenient to some of its nationals who were sent back:  traders, those who had crossed just to get food, and those who had no contact with South Koreans, Westerners, Japanese, or missionaries (those who had contact with those latter groups were generally as good as dead, either quickly or slowly).  That deplorable situation is changing for the worse as North Korea tries to restore control over the border, a matter of survival for Kim Jong Il’s rule.  […]

OneFreeKorea » Virginia Tech Shooter Was Cho Seung-Hui, a U.S. Permanenent Resident From Korea said,

April 19, 2007 @ 8:08 pm

[…] My point here is to suggest that the great majority of the bigotry and generalizing — both of Americans and of Koreans — is happening in South Korea, where I suspect too many people are mentally reversing the roles.  I also suspect that for many of the same people, the acceptance of collective guilt is just a stepping stone to a claim of collective victimhood.  This is wrong on several levels, starting with the fact that the 32 actual victims haven’t even buried yet.  Can we please mourn them?  We live in a world where there’s plenty of real victimhood and little need to invent more.  I’d like to see a whole lot less of all of this “collective” b.s. on all sides of all oceans, regardless of the nationalities of those concerned.  I mean, didn’t Brian express it best?  So please, let’s call off the Category 5 pogrom alert.   […]

OneFreeKorea » North Korea Freedom Week 2007 said,

April 21, 2007 @ 12:33 pm

[…] For those who don’t know why this issue needs more attention — including yours — please read this, this, and this.  […]

OneFreeKorea » North Korea Freedom Week 2007: Bringing Attention to an Unreported Genocide said,

April 24, 2007 @ 12:28 pm

[…] For those who don’t know why this issue needs more attention — including yours — please witness Camp 22 and its horrors, learn the grim fate of refugees sent back to North Korea today, and read how Kim Jong Il splurged on weapons and personal luxuries while two million of his people starved to death.  […]

OneFreeKorea » North Korea Freedom Week 2007: Bringing Attention to an Unreported Genocide said,

April 25, 2007 @ 6:57 am

[…] For those who don’t know why this issue needs more attention — including yours — please witness Camp 22 and its horrors, learn the grim fate of refugees sent back to North Korea today, and read how Kim Jong Il splurged on weapons and personal luxuries while two million of his people starved to death. […]

Louis said,

April 27, 2007 @ 4:15 am

So is Camp 22 a myth or what ?

OneFreeKorea » The North Korean Air Force by Google Earth said,

April 30, 2007 @ 3:08 pm

[…] [Update:  Welcome Weekly Standard readers.  Please take note of some of the other North Korea Google Earth goodies here:  the concentration camps at Camp 22 (of gas chamber infamy) and Camp 16 (the site of a recent mass escape), North Korea’s “ghost cities,” and Kim Jong Il’s palace complex northeast of Pyongyang, which comes with its own “pyramid scheme.”] […]

Louis said,

May 29, 2007 @ 3:26 am

why is Kim Jong-Il doing this ?? And North Koreas will be happier than ever if they could eat meat once a month …

Louis said,

May 29, 2007 @ 4:14 am

i hope this ends soon

OneFreeKorea » Freedom House Will Host Discussion on N. Korean Concentration Camps said,

May 31, 2007 @ 6:35 am

[…] And you’ve seen my posts on Camp 22 and Camp 16 by Google Earth, right?  Yeah, I thought so.  Sorry for mentioning it yet again. […]

Menta Lee Il said,

June 3, 2007 @ 1:30 pm

Look through wikimapia.org to this location: 42°34′29″N 129°53′3″E

Joshua said,

June 3, 2007 @ 3:22 pm

Menta, There is some great information in there.

(Classified) said,

June 6, 2007 @ 10:59 am

Absolutely pathetic that the spineless leader of the “Democratic People’s Republic” of North Korea must resort to Complete & Utter Genocide in order to maintain power. A real sucker for a show of force, Kim-Jong-Il. Congratulations, you just murdered an innocent Baby, You @$$hole. How does that make you feel. Does it make you feel Powerful?! How about when your goons Abducted young japanese lovers to use for your own sick, twisted purposes?
Burn in Hell, Kim-Jong-Il.

OneFreeKorea » Army Life in North Korea said,

June 6, 2007 @ 11:15 pm

[…] He wondered whether the label on the placemark was accurate.  I opined that it probably was not, because of the absence of a fence line or guard posts, the location just east of Pyongyang as opposed to an isolated area, and its mismatch with any known labor camp locations (I’ve placemarked all of them).  I’ve published plenty of GE photos of North Korean gulags, and this just doesn’t look like one of them.   […]

OneFreeKorea » Freedom House Panel on N. Korean Gulags said,

June 8, 2007 @ 6:00 pm

[…] Google Earth images — a tour, really — of Camp 22, Hoeryong. […]

Paul said,

June 9, 2007 @ 6:22 pm

Thanks for this - it’s frustrating how people just don’t seem to care about the NK Holocaust.

This also shows the hypocrisy of groups like Amenesty International, who can’t name these camps as “gulags” because of their politics and greed. AI is nearly an accessory to this Holocaust in my book.

OneFreeKorea » Dude, Where’s My Spine? Agreed Framework 2.0 at Four Months said,

June 16, 2007 @ 10:18 pm

[…] My guess is that putting a piece of yellow tape over the reactor door and letting in some U.N. inspectors are two concessions that Kim Jong Il will eventually give for the right price.  After all, each is easily reversible for any convenient pretext.  Call them “pink” lines.  The “red” lines that Kim will never cross are his agreement to fully disclose all of his nuclear programs or let us verify the completeness of that disclosure.  If I’m right about that, the February agreement really looks like a thinly veiled excuse for both Kim and Bush to “discuss” those matters for the next 18 months, as the press obligingly looks the other way, and as the Bush Administration prepares to exit from office claiming that peace is at hand.  In reality, it will have solved nothing, but will have helped to perpetuate a tyranny that uses famine as a weapon of mass terror, manslaughter, or murder; that gasses children with their parents; that treats the handicapped like untermenschen; that kidnaps the innocent citizens of its neighbors and distant nations; that runs gargantuan concentration camps of unspeakable cruelty; and that murders infants it suspects of being racially impure.  Even as these topics are politely swept out of our diplomatic conversation, Kim Jong Il will keep building a new plutonium reactor much larger than the one at Yongbyon, and he’ll also continue his parallel uranium enrichment program. […]

Louis said,

June 18, 2007 @ 1:15 pm

Google Earth doesn’t give clear images

(Classified) said,

June 18, 2007 @ 5:17 pm

These dictators- people like Kim-Jong-Il, Mahmoud Ahmahdinejad, & Hugo Chavez, all have a number of things in common- Ruling with an iron fist, Raise a monstrous army while your people suffer, keep a steel chokehold on the media, & kill all who stand in your way. Sleep tonight, for at the break of dawn, your life is mine, and then you’re good as gone!

P.S. I’m serious, tyrants, soon you will pay for all those who you killed.

Vive le resistance!

(Classified) said,

June 18, 2007 @ 5:29 pm

Now that I have seen the truth, I am looking for people who might be willing to contact me by e- mail as to these horrible violations of the Geneva convention and be willing to assist cause outlined in postscript of my last posting. If this is possible, someone with inside information on Kim-Jong-Il’s many Spider Holes. any interested wait for me to send email address

Camp 22 « Liberales Irredentos said,

June 19, 2007 @ 8:40 pm

[…] Camp 22 Soy poco dado a este tipo de cosas…pero me gustaría que leyesen esto. […]

John said,

June 21, 2007 @ 4:47 pm

This is a very good article to say the least. It is another reminder of how evil communism really is. More deaths and oppression have been associated with communism than most people relize. When the world finaly discovers the true horrors behind North Korea, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Kim surpasses Stalin in the over all amount of atrocities commited against these very poor souls. I do not thank God enough as I should for being born in a free country. It sickens me to no end how people born in a free country can support communism in any form. As a singer/song writer once said, “They Love Our Milk And Honey, But They Preach About Some Other Way Of Living.”

OneFreeKorea » Vanishing Goalposts and a Fool’s Errand said,

June 24, 2007 @ 12:54 am

[…] (There’s still no word on whether Richardson asked his friends to shut down Camp 22 and free the 50,000 men, women, and children who are dying there today.  The press release listed the contact name of Gilbert Gallegos at (505) 412-2644.  I called Mr. Gallegos, but he wouldn’t return my call.  Maybe he’ll return yours.  I think we should keep calling.) […]

Wicek said,

June 29, 2007 @ 6:22 am

Archivo similar en Español… http://blognacional.blogspot.com/2007/06/corea-del-norte.html

IMINT: Google « Cywir in Gwlad said,

July 6, 2007 @ 2:10 pm

[…] Google has also been documenting Camp 22 in North Korea. Here’s a Google Tour of a communist death camp. Holocaust Now: Looking Down Into Hell at Camp 22 […]

Pete said,

July 14, 2007 @ 12:19 pm

Please tell as many as you can. I’m sitting in work, reading because there’s nothing to do, and I can’t believe how fortunate I am. I’m struggling not to cry. I wish there was something I could do, but if I told anyone, they’d behave like those ‘wet dogs’. Look puppy eyed and try and succeed to go back to their dream land. How can we, how can I, do something?

Louis said,

July 31, 2007 @ 5:47 am

Joshua, those peeps who claim that their North Koreans here are fake

Joshua said,

July 31, 2007 @ 6:43 am

Which people?

OneFreeKorea » The Going-Out-of-Business Summit said,

August 8, 2007 @ 9:38 pm

[…] Could this possibly amount to anything other than a cynical election-year ploy for a photo op?  Roh is deeply unpopular, his party is near the end of a slow and painful process of disintegration, and as of this moment, Uri 2.0 is headed for an electoral trouncing.  By what sort of mandate will Roh bind his country to an agreement’s terms?  How much influence has he ever wielded over the other parties to the six-party talks?  What can he offer Kim Jong Il that he hasn’t already given, asking nothing in return?  Very little.  Roh is still president, but a few months later, he won’t be, and the new President of Republic of Korea may not agree with the wisdom of being bound by Roh’s final close-out giveaway, though Kim Jong Il is a strict contructionist when it comes to what people agree to give him.  It would be the height of irresponsibility for Roh to agree to anything now, but you could say the same of how he financed Kim Jong Il’s nuclear armament or sanctioned his atrocities against the North Korean people.  In other words, it would be just what we expect from him. […]

OneFreeKorea » Who Changed Who? said,

August 17, 2007 @ 12:11 pm

[…] [Presumably, that means no discussion of South Korean abductees or prisoners of war, the protection of North Korean refugees, Camp 22 or North Korea’s other sprawling death camps, the freeing of abducted missionaries, or the 10,000 artillery tubes pointed at South Korea.  There will be a token discussion of nukes, which will achieve nothing of substance.  There will be much discussion of South Korean aid for the North, all of it unmonitored, which will in fact result in the delivery of copious amounts of aid, most of which will end up in Army mess halls and the larders of high party officials.] […]

OneFreeKorea » Ban Ki Moon’s ‘Quiet Diplomacy’ Fails the North Korean People and the U.N., Again said,

August 22, 2007 @ 6:51 am

[…] If that is so, then let’s take stock of just what Ban Ki Moon’s quiet diplomacy has ever accomplished.  If Ban wishes to redeem the value of his quiet diplomacy — and the costly bureaucracy he leads — let him apply it to closing Camp 22 forever. […]

Shanti said,

August 23, 2007 @ 4:56 pm

Thank you for the information and hard work you put in this blog. I saw a small blurb about NK human rights on a news website, and decided to dig a little deeper. It is sad that all most people know about NK is their Nuclear programs, myself included until today.

Just wanted to let you know, your work is appreciated, and being read!

Hæren først! « Koreastudenten said,

August 24, 2007 @ 12:02 pm

[…] af herlighederne under den sigende titel: Holocaust now. No Comments Leave a Commenttrackback addressThere was an error with your comment, please try again. name (required)email (will not be published)(required)url […]

OneFreeKorea » Did North Korea Just Renege Again? said,

August 26, 2007 @ 10:37 pm

[…] What did we do about it?  Not much of anything calculated to speed up the rot at the problem’s source.  Instead, we pulled out of the first Agreed Framework and temporarily stopped paying the North Koreans for lying to us.  And yet, here we are again.  Today, North Korea is back to denying that it has a uranium program, we still don’t believe them, we’re still prepared to pay anyway, and we have another deal that (for no small price) freezes their plutonium program until Kim Jong Il decides to flip the switch back to “reprocess.”  The only difference is that then, we figured that they had semi-functioning nukes and had possibly tested one.  Today, we think we know they’ve tested a semi-functioning nuke.  Also, they’ve produced heaps of corpses, but let’s keep this discussion on topic: preserving what passes for peace and security in Korea.  […]

OneFreeKorea » Did I Just Hear North Korea Renege Again? said,

August 27, 2007 @ 6:19 am

[…] What did we do about it?  Not much of anything calculated to speed up the rot at the problem’s source.  Instead, we pulled out of the first Agreed Framework and temporarily stopped paying the North Koreans for lying to us.  And yet, here we are again.  Today, North Korea is back to denying that it has a uranium program, we still don’t believe them, we’re still prepared to pay anyway, and we have another deal that (for no small price) freezes their plutonium program until Kim Jong Il decides to flip the switch back to “reprocess.”  The only difference is that then, we figured that they had semi-functioning nukes and had possibly tested one.  Today, we think we know they’ve tested a semi-functioning nuke.  Also, they’ve produced heaps of corpses, but let’s keep this discussion on topic: preserving what passes for peace and security in Korea.  […]

Matthew M said,

August 28, 2007 @ 5:34 am

The US seems to have a codependent relationship with North Korea (and quite a few other dictatorships and dysfunctional states). Why do we give anything to the psychotic regime that never gives anything in return? In ten years, the only thing that seemed to get their attention was cutting off banks used by North Korea from the international banking system and seizing $25 million. Instead of tightening the screws, we gave the money back. If we can afford to garrison South Korea for half a century, then we can afford to provide aid to the North Koreans after dear leader is deposed, which is something we should be working toward.

DPRK Forum » The Path to Succession: The Path to Collapse said,

August 29, 2007 @ 7:50 am

[…] So the above blurb does suggest loyalty to Kim is paramount to keep a potential for uprising at bay. North Koreans have tried rebelling and led to mass murder in the labor camps. One Free Korea tells of this tale (A must read by the way): There’s really no telling why North Korea houses its prisoners this way, but it makes sense from the perspective of cold logic. As even the Nazis learned, camps are more secure if they’re less concentrated. Two dozen prisoners in a small village present much less of a threat of rebellion than, say, the large group of prisoners who rose up in the Onsong Camp in 1997. The uprising ended with 5,000 dead, and Kim Jong Il reportedly ordered every trace of the place scraped off the face of the earth. It’s easier to guess why prisoners are housed in huts; the camps’ main method of control is to keep inmates on the verge of starvation and extend them small rewards for informing on each other. That, and the hut-style housing, limit the opportunities to think unauthorized thoughts. […]

Jack said,

August 30, 2007 @ 8:22 am

One of the best writeups on the camps I have seen. Thanks for the post.

DPRK Forum » The Path to Succession: The Path to Collapse Part 2 said,

August 31, 2007 @ 8:16 am

[…] Next, what will be found in those camps? Hundreds of thousands of people are said to be there including families of the so-called accused. (One Free Korea has a good writeup of the Camps including videos - if you have not read about it, please go down there and read it now) Just how long will it take to clean that up? If it is anything like the concentration camps in Germany, I cannot even imagine the level of horrors that will be discovered once North Korea is gone. Would officials find torture chambers, biological weapons testing sites and the like? I can barely imagine the level of crimes that occur there. One thing is for sure though, if the leader and his cronies are caught, I could guarantee there will be some serious charges and tribunals going for those crimes alone. The list of those crimes will be long, and I hope for the world’s sake justice will be carried out for the many decades of killing, torture and testing with innocent people. […]

James said,

September 6, 2007 @ 3:41 pm

wow…..what an A-M-A-Z-I-N-G blog post. I am going to sign into DIGG and “digg” it right now.

Also, my friend recently started a website which kind of follows the digg model and one of the users posted it on their site. Although the site is just starting, I think the site will be successful, so it will be another way (besides DIGG) to increase the awareness.

The posting for this blog submission already has a rating of 22 and 5 comments :) You can check it out on www.mykofan.com

Joshua, please keep up the posts and don’t lose the fire and passion you have to see justice served in North Korea.

Joshua said,

September 6, 2007 @ 9:12 pm

Thank you.

OneFreeKorea » North Korea Is Losing Control of Its Borders said,

September 10, 2007 @ 8:40 am

[…] Last week, North Korea announced that several “spies,” possibly including a foreign national, had been caught.  The Daily NK informs us that North Korea’s National Security has claimed credit for the arrests.  The news site speculates about the identity of those arrested and prints an interesting backgrounder on the National Security Agency, which is also responsible for the horrific conditions in North Korea’s concentration camps. […]

freedom said,

September 14, 2007 @ 5:57 pm

The time has come to free the innocent humans of North Korea and wipe out the Evil Empire. If we do not soon, WWIII will envitably begin there. I’s just a matter of time before the critical mass of starving soldiers, the collapse of internal economy and further isolation - denotes.

Should we wait until 1 million rampaging starving brainwashed robots cross into S. Korea followed by a 1/2 dozen nuclear warheads into Japan and the neighboring U.S. military positions?

We must unite and conquer this enivitable forward march of pure and horrendous evil.

OneFreeKorea » We must be smoking what they’re growing said,

September 20, 2007 @ 7:23 am

[…] Indeed, it seems like only yesterday when the North Korean dope freighter Pong Su was caught off the coast of Australia unloading $144 million in high-quality heroin.  Youtube has video of the Australian Navy sinking the ship.  North Korea is still a suspected supplier of drugs to addicts in Japan, South Korea, and presumably anywhere else its retailers can find customers.  North Korea even grows its own opium, and some of that opium is grown in Camp 15, one of Kim Jong Il’s concentration camps.  Here’s a satellite photo of one of the fields identified by a survivor, courtesy of the U.S. Commission for Human Rights in North Korea. […]

OneFreeKorea » The Unseen Courage of Burma’s Monks said,

September 21, 2007 @ 6:45 am

[…] *  Like GI Korea, I believe it’s officially fair to describe South Korea’s UniFiction Minster Lee Jae-Joung as a holocaust denier.  […]

OneFreeKorea » The Rangoon Autumn said,

September 24, 2007 @ 7:03 am

[…] *  Like GI Korea, I believe it’s officially fair to describe South Korea’s UniFiction Minster Lee Jae-Joung as a holocaust denier.  […]

OneFreeKorea » Some USFK Stats and History said,

September 24, 2007 @ 6:53 pm

[…] *  Like GI Korea, I believe it’s officially fair to describe South Korea’s UniFiction Minster Lee Jae-Joung as a holocaust denier.  […]

OneFreeKorea » The Unstoppable Self-Destruction of Kim Jong Il said,

October 21, 2007 @ 6:39 am

[…] You never know.  It might not be all talk.  While some optimistic reports are laying out a road map for normalization before President Bush leaves office, Chris Hill has just been quoted as demanding that North Korea hand over its plutonium before things move forward.  And even normalization talks will have to show some progress on human rights, a difficult contingency to even imagine given where things stand right now.  So far, Kim Jong Il has done absolutely nothing that can’t be undone in an instant, and still seems as unlikely as ever to do so. […]

Guillaume said,

October 21, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

What a report! It is truly horrible the atrocities that go on in this secretive state yet nothing is being done to end them. That is truly unacceptable. If you want to make a difference, you should make people aware of the situation first because not many people in the world know about the things that happen in North Korea. Then, help in every way that you can. Donate to organizations, organize a protest, or fund-raise. Anything you can do to help.

Thanking you in advance for making a difference,

Guilllaume

P.S. some sites you can donate to are www.linkglobal.org and www.freekorea.us.

Joshua said,

October 21, 2007 @ 5:30 pm

Thanks, but one clarification: I don’t accept donations or advertising. But here are some places where you can donate to a good cause:

http://freekorea.us/2006/01/20/what-can-i-do-3/

Maybe the most important thing you can do is to tell others. E-mail your friends, and post this link on sites, chatrooms, and blogs. Thanks.

Ashley said,

October 25, 2007 @ 12:22 am

Thank you for this information. I was sitting on my sofa tonight flipping through the channels. At some point I stopped on a documentary called Inside North Korea with Lisa Ling. Most of the information in that documentary and on this website is brand new information for me. I had the opportunity to travel around the world last year and I have taken seriously the responsibility of knowing what is going on out there. Now that I have this information I will take responsibility for it. Thank you.

Nicole said,

October 25, 2007 @ 11:41 am

Wow, I just read that - HORRIBLE. I saw program on NK on NatG yesterday and started researching the subject. Speechless - a repeat of the Nazzis - we know what happen there and it is horrible that we close our eyes again. I guess 60 years from now people will ask - how can that have happen, why did nobody do a thing to stop that mad man. (Sounds familiar doesn’t it?) Are we so numb to suffering by now because we feel like there is nothing we can do? Does nothing touch us anymore? Are we just to comfortable in our nitch of the world that others suffering does not “concern” us and we do not want to be bothered? Are we helpless or is there a way to get the media involved to educate all of us and tell us - hey here is a situation we might be able to turn around - let us help not to have another Holocoust on our hand - let us see what we can do. I think to be united in a good cause would be the greatest human accomplishment in decades.

OneFreeKorea » Walking the Road to Hell With the Eugene Bell Foundation said,

November 9, 2007 @ 8:34 am

[…] Some policies, of course, are easier to understand than others, and mostly absent from Linton’s “explanations” are North Korea’s suffocating repression, its hellish concentration camps, and of greatest relevance for Linton’s work, its culpable misallocation of food which, according to various estimates, killed between half a million and three and a half million people.  Like other defenders of the regime, Linton views sanctions in a vacuum, without mentioning the acts of terrorism and proliferation that led to them, its stubborn refusal to convincingly renounce those methods, or its compulsion for turning plowshares into thrust-vector nozzles.  Is nothing Kim Jong Il’s fault?  If so, Linton isn’t saying. […]

OneFreeKorea » Korean Election Update: Lessers Versus Evils said,

November 13, 2007 @ 8:13 am

[…] Only two things have been missing from the Korean conservatives’ campaigns for the last two years:  an agenda and decent candidates.  And yet they still win.  Perhaps realizing that they could win elections on negative turnout alone, they’ve mostly run against the excesses of their opponents while articulating few principles to really challenge the left, especially where it went horriby wrong.  Just next door to the greatest act of national self-immolation since the Khmer Rouge fled Phnom Penh, Park Geun-Hye’s North Korea policy has been inert, triangulated, and Clintonian: ”flexible and future-oriented“ on abetting more years of famine, terror, and atrocities comparable in scale and depravity to Mauthausen and Tuol Sleng.  History is unforgiving of such things.  And rather than repudiating her father’s (mostly benevolent but) dictatorial legacy, she has basked in the desires of some to see the return of more “decisive” leadership.  Her occasional support for censoring opposing views reinforces our worst fears, though Roh Moo-Hyun’s rule was hardly a paragon of free speech, either.  Park was bested by Lee Myung-Bak for the GNP nomination, but she emerged from the race with a reputation for personal gravitas, maturity, integrity, and cool under fire.  She may now be the race’s new king-maker.  As of this morning, she’s backing Lee Myung-Bak.  In a move that’s classic Park, she backed the safe, consensus candidate, but left herself room to wriggle away from Lee if his troubles deepen. […]

johno said,

November 14, 2007 @ 6:14 pm

Great article, i never knew the half of whats happening in north korea, quite disturbing,

OneFreeKorea » No Legacy for You said,

November 21, 2007 @ 4:00 pm

[…] No, not if the Washington Post does not choose to make it so.  There is so much unintentional insight about our journalistic and political classes in those brief sentences.  Think of it.  Kim Jong Il throws the switch on one of his nuclear facilities to the “off” position, however briefly, and he’s “dismantling his nuclear program.”  Mr. Kim, here (but not here) is your legacy. […]

OneFreeKorea » South Korea Abstains Again said,

November 23, 2007 @ 11:24 pm

[…] . . . in a U.N. vote to condemn North Korea’s human rights atrocities (via Korea Unification Studies).  They abstain, for the record, from condemning this, or this, or this.  Or this. […]

OneFreeKorea » Casualties of Banalities: The Arrest and Coming Death of Yoo Sang-Joon said,

November 24, 2007 @ 3:58 pm

[…] The Republicans and the Bush Administration made some noise about human rights for a few years and then sold out the North Korean people for a few good headlines.  The Democrats, still silent after a year in power, have adopted a “three monkeys” approach so as not to disturb the Sisyphean purchase of more lies from Kim Jong Il.  Witness “Kim Jong Bill” Richardson’s use of his photo-ops with the North Koreans to try to boost his third-tier presidential campaign (which is really a campaign to become Secretary of State).  I doubt he — or Bush’s mouthpiece, Chris Hill — will ever bother to mention the place where Mr. Yoo’s life may well end, along with tens of thousands of men, women, and children before him.  Those caught are detained in special jails, then escorted under armed guard across one of the bridges linking China to North Korea.  Horrifying scenes have been witnessed even here. Chinese soldiers have told their relatives of watching, nauseated, as the North Koreans force thick wire through the hands of the prisoners or under their collarbones, yoking them like animals to the slaughter. […]

OneFreeKorea » Time to boycott KFC? said,

December 7, 2007 @ 7:30 pm

[…] With so many journos who report about North Korea – and then move on – their view of the story is unsurprisingly superficial.  Some probably don’t even know that such places as Camp 22 exist, which means they have no business reporting on North Korea at all.  Or, they might be unconcerned about the idea of supporting a regime that would run such a place.  Or maybe they’re doing her best to help Kim Jong Il keep the place a secret. […]

Anomonyous said,

December 11, 2007 @ 3:56 am

hey im just wondering?
if anyone has any in depth info about North Korean and there religion?
Is Juche really there religion or the idealogies of the late Kim Sung.
I need a real clear article or site that states how North Korea operates there religion.
If anyone has any info.
Could you please put a link on this site.
:)

from, some highschool sophomore in guam

Joshua said,

December 11, 2007 @ 6:41 am

Click “FAQ” on the sidebar links. I address that and provide additional links there.

Ann Endry said,

December 20, 2007 @ 3:03 am

I completely agree with the point made at the end of the site’s article~~the very least we can do is make ourselves aware of these horrors and care about what is happening. These devastated human beings cannot know that we are out here, somewhat aware and care, but it still matters. Keep up the good work, and thank you. I have placed this site on my favorites and will watch for other info.

OneFreeKorea » Experts predict Lee Myung Bak’s behavior; Still no comment from Miss Cleo, Nostradamus, or KCNA said,

December 22, 2007 @ 6:10 pm

[…] By the way, if you’re a truly obsessed North Korea watcher, KCNA’s latest probably has your nipples all a-tingle; they’re doing non-stop adulatory coverage of the visist by Kim Jong Suk, Kim Jong Il’s dysfunctional mother, to the remote and desolate crap-heap known as Hoeryong, whose main industries appear to be coal mining, concentration camps, coal mined in concentration camps, and fleeing the country. Somehow, all of this probably has some significance for the succession question, but trying to master Kim Jong Il’s tangled web of paternity is like writing a comprehensive geneology of West Virginia. Also, there’s a free trade agreement between North Korea and Belarus, which promises a trade boom in gray vinalon, olive green polyester, and assorted unmarked crates buried under sacks of cement. […]

Kim Jung Ill said,

December 27, 2007 @ 9:25 am

This is all a bunch of Western Propaganda Bull Shit. I am God.

OneFreeKorea » 2007: A Lost Year said,

January 1, 2008 @ 10:34 am

[…] November 2004:  In response to reports of mass atrocities, including concentration camps, gas chamber killings, and infanticides, Congress unanimously passes the North Korean Human Rights Act of 2004.  The State Department quietly blocks implementation to avoid upsetting North Korea, South Korea, or China.  China continues to string North Korean refugees together with wires through their wrists and noses and lead thousands of them back to torture or death in North Korea.  The U.S. admits a few dozen.  South Korea also discourages North Korean refugees. […]

OneFreeKorea » UniFiction Ministry to be abolished? said,

January 3, 2008 @ 9:05 pm

[…] Still no word on abolishing the Human Rights Commission, or at least orienting it toward promoting the human rights of those Koreans most in need of a few.  […]

OneFreeKorea » Anti-Slavery International: ‘Forced Labor in North Korean Prison Camps’ said,

January 4, 2008 @ 1:13 pm

[…] The counter-example of Darfur, certainly a worthy cause, proves my point:  the Human Rights Industry and the reporters who follow it are blind in their right eyes.  A more pernicious and far less defensible example is the fact that 300-odd terrorists fattening up in Gitmo have attracted infinitely more sympathy from the Human Rights Industry than 200,000 men, women, and children in the worst system of concentration camps since Nazi Germany, with the possible exception of Khmer Rouge-era Cambodia.  The operative word there:  sympathy.  Extend the implications yourself.  To some on the left, there are worse things than killing a few thousand innocent people.  Is it really all about who you kill? […]

OneFreeKorea » The Candidates on North Korea (Edwards, Giuliani, McCain, Obama, Richardson) said,

January 7, 2008 @ 10:59 pm

[…] Richardson has adopted North Korea as his pet foreign policy project, so he’s chargeable with knowing the ground truth there.  This goes beyond bad judgment.  It indicates a willingness to do whatever it takes to advance his own career, including holding hands with genocide. […]

OneFreeKorea » Kim Jong Bill Drops Out said,

January 10, 2008 @ 8:54 am

[…] I also noticed that “Ken Camp,” presumably the same person as “kencamp” of the defunct “AmericaForRichardson.org,” is now blogging at Kim Jong Bill’s official site.  Although he’s pictured posing with his candidate, oddly enough, he still never got us the answer he promised us to our old question:  Did Bill Richardson, who claims such extraordinary influence and diplomatic skill, ever ask his pal Kim Jong Il to set free the 200,000 men, women, and kids in his death camps?  Guess not.  […]

This Place Is… » Looking Down on North Korea said,

January 13, 2008 @ 5:23 pm

[…] The other is through satellite photography. OneFreeKorea posted an interesting article analyzing an alleged labor camp based on what we can see from space pieced together with interviews of ex-guards. I’m convinced. See the area for yourself. […]

OneFreeKorea » Anju Links: Food Woes, A Lefkowitz Resignation Rumor, OPCON, and Reforming the HRC said,

February 1, 2008 @ 4:46 pm

[…] DID JAY LEFKOWITZ TRY TO RESIGN?  Lefty WaPo columnist Al Kamen, who seems happily unconcerned that there really are human rights issues in North Korea, passes along the rumor.  Apparently, President Bush talked Lefkowitz out of it.  Yes, I’m sure he finds the cover useful. […]

From Far said,

February 12, 2008 @ 4:23 pm

Why don`t the people rise? Why are they neutral? - Why aren`t they starting a revolution?

These questions must not have a written answer.

Happy Birthday Kim Jong II « The Human Manifesto said,

February 17, 2008 @ 8:08 pm

[…] 50,000 men, women and children are being held at Camp 22. […]

Faceless said,

February 18, 2008 @ 11:55 pm

In response to From Far’s question, you have to understand the human psyche. This people live so much in fear that they would not be able to stage an uprising.

Kim Jung is so paranoid about being over thrown he extends his punishment to the families of the accused. I read one part of this article that mentioned that if anyone held any objections that seemed to be ideals against the Regime he or she would be sent to this ‘Gulag’, it immediately crossed my mind that I had recently seen Diane Sawyer’s report about North Korea and that in fact some of the students she interviewed admitted to liking the Western culture.

Now I wonder if those young students were sent away to a horrible future at these concentration camps.

I too would like to see them hold an uprising of some sort but remember, you torture someone enough they won’t be able to retaliate as evil as that sounds…sadly it holds true.

Sarah said,

February 19, 2008 @ 8:09 pm

What do you think of the Facebook group “For every 1000 ppl who join, we will donate $2 to North Korean Refugees”? They say that the money goes to LiNK (Liberty in North Korea). Is this a worthy cause?

Joshua said,

February 19, 2008 @ 8:42 pm

Absolutely. I know LiNK and its people very well.

Maria said,

February 25, 2008 @ 10:06 pm

I hope kim jung il and his regime gets overthrown!!! It’s amazing that the world is (purposely) keeping a blind eye on the human rights crisis, all for the sake of “world peace” and maintaining “friendly diplomatic relations”? Ha! I rather be a peace-maker than a peace-keeper!

OneFreeKorea » 2008 » February » 27 said,

February 27, 2008 @ 8:07 am

[…] It’s also likely that a number of prisoners weren’t accounted for, and that rudimentary medical care will fail to save the lives of many of those injured.  Camp 12 is located somewhere in the same vicinity as Camp 22, which also contains a large coal mine. The No. 12 Reeducation Camp was built at the end of the 1970s with the name “No. 22 Youth Educational Center (제22호 청년교양소)” and simple criminals or economic offenders were incarcerated. But in the mid 1980s, the name was changed to “No. 12 Reeducation Camp.” The camp currently houses a variety of inmates who have committed crimes like illegal border-crossing, viewing of foreign films, murder, theft, and violence. Sentences range from a minimum of one year to imprisonment for life. […]

Music, Morality and a Brief History Lesson « Copia Verborum said,

March 7, 2008 @ 7:14 am

[…] (For more specifics on the horrors of Camp 22, go to Holocaust Now: Looking Down Into Hell At Camp 22 at freekorea.us.) […]

Tom said,

March 9, 2008 @ 10:15 am

came across this whilst researching human rights abuse in vietnam for a university essay. Very powerful and thought provoking. It has appalled me that there are still concentration camps in operation today, and i hope that someone out there will do something about it. I feel so lucky to live in a country where the most we have to whine about is rising prices on petrol or the number of speed cameras on the roads. Imagine if it was your family being dragged to the gas chambers to be experimented on.. its too horrible a thought to bear, but this seems like a reality for the thousands still stuck in north korean concentration camps. As a lowly student i can only hope that a governing body does something about this, and if they do, they can count on my support in the future.

OneFreeKorea » The Beginning of the End: Food Shortages Reach Pyongyang said,

March 20, 2008 @ 9:31 pm

[…] So if North Korea asks us for food aid, what should we say?  We should agree, as long as the World Food Program can distribute the food through its own distribution system to every single county, village, Army barracks, and concentration camp.  No exceptions.  Wouldn’t that be saving a repellent regime?  No, that would be a humane way of destroying a repellent regime that was built on isolation and xenophobic mythology. […]

John said,

March 20, 2008 @ 10:09 pm

KILL Kim Jong-il THAT SOB NEEDS TO GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hopely the UN will declear war on North Korea.

John said,

March 20, 2008 @ 10:09 pm

KILL Kim Jong-il THAT SOB NEEDS TO GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hopely the UN will declear war on North Korea.

Oggie said,

March 31, 2008 @ 4:18 pm

Another terrible crisis and the world is blind. Another proof that what is going on in the world is only political agenda and nobody actually cares for “little” people. Remember Kosovo crisis from 1999… world reacted very fast and NATO bombed capital city of Serbia and innocent people died. In N. Korea they are not that fast at all because stinking politics are not about the people but about who knows what…. And innocent people are dieing every day. WHY? Where are we going? Jesus renew our hearts….

OneFreeKorea » Not Another Nazi Ad Campaign in Korea … said,

April 3, 2008 @ 7:07 pm

[…] Korea’s conspicuous inability to grasp the idea that genocide offends the rest of Earth may provide some insight into why so few Koreans seem bent out of shape about concentration camps in North Korea whose cruelty is comparable to that of Mauthausen or Dachau. […]

ak@y0sh! said,

April 3, 2008 @ 9:08 pm

I think it is pretty sad that this kind of thing still happens, but there is no need for the UN to go to war with North Korea. It’s not the county that is the problem, it’s the government and the corrupt politicians. Any country can easily turn “evil” with a famine, a depression, and a couple of leaders with bad ideas. Take Germany for instance. It was an okay country until WWI came along and left Germany into a severe depression. It was not that the country was “evil”, it was the people’s desperation and fear to get out of a hopeless situation and one man’s sinister dream to unite the Germanic people that cause Germany to become powerful in World War II. But in North Korea’s case, it seems to be the complete opposite. North Korea is not in a severe depression, but government leaders like to hoard and hide food and other essential supplies from its people to create a hopeless situation, thus provoking Desperation and fear and keeping the people from rebelling.

If the U.N went to war with North Korea, it would probably piss off China as well as some other asain countries. Don’t think about waging a war and destroying everything that is North Korea. Think about trying a peace-keeping operation. The goal is to liberate North Korea, not conquer it and force it citizens to work in factories and pump out shoes for Nike.

OneFreeKorea » Kim Won Ung: A Most Joyous Political Obituary said,

April 13, 2008 @ 1:32 pm

[…] Fall 2007:  During last year’s election campaign, Kim appeared in a televised debate to oppose a U.N. resolution condemning North Korea’s human rights atrocities calling on the U.N. to condemn what he calls a “Nazi-like concentration camp” at Gitmo.  (Funny, I don’t think this was ever a problem for the prisoners at Dachau, who, after all – and I realize that this distinction will always be lost on some people — weren’t members of an organization dedicated to the theocratic subjugation of the world through the mass murder of civilians.  There’s no reason to strain facts or logic to draw the Nazi analogy.)  […]

NotesCollector said,

April 20, 2008 @ 3:38 am

I am sure that the thoughts and prayers of me and many others all around the world go into Remembrance of these poor souls..

Lest We Forget

OneFreeKorea » 2008 » April » 25 said,

April 25, 2008 @ 6:58 pm

[…] You will recall that in this post, I wrote about Kathleen Stephens, the State Department’s nominee to be the next U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Korea.  Though well qualified for the job and (so I am told) a nice person when you meet her, Ms. Stephens is also a long-time crony of Christopher Hill, the man who would excuse North Korea from answering for its human rights atrocities, its support for terrorism, its abductions of the citizens of other nations, its counterfeiting of U.S. currency and money laundering, its nuclear proliferation, or its refusal to disclose  all of its nuclear weapons programs before being relieved of key U.S. sanctions.  Hill has long been Ms. Stephens’s protege, and there is every reason to believe that her views closely match Hill’s; in fact, Stephens’s key policy initiative in her current job was to push for a full peace treaty with North Korea.  There is less reason for confidence that Stephens’s views would align with those of a new, more conservative government in Seoul. […]

gooroogirl said,

May 1, 2008 @ 2:37 pm

I simply stumbled upon this page.
Words are useless to express, convey or call to aid as defense, against such rottenness of the human state. I am ashamed that I am able sit on the other side of the world blissfully unaware and worse still, be unable to immediately stop it. Of course I will write to my politicians and this no doubt, will be close to useless. How can any comfortable human comprehend such suffering?
I am not religious but I send to my human brothers and sisters, those souls trapped within these horrible confines, that which is unseen and unstoppable by fences, moats and spears in the ground. It is love and love’s speed.
On the other hand, those responsible should now place a mirror in hand and look at the face of one cursed, for all eternity.

Michael Coombs said,

May 6, 2008 @ 12:01 pm

Do you maybe suspect that this story is not entirely true?

Rhesus said,

May 6, 2008 @ 12:40 pm

Of course it’s not true!

We all know how unreliable those elitist “refugees” from Democratic Kampuchea were in the ’70s. Noam Chomsky proved this himself. Enemies of progressive movements will always resort to the basest lies in order to discredit their opponents, and the case of North Korea is no different. Kang Chol Hwan was probably never even in jail, and if he was, he surely deserved to be. North Korean society has to defend itself from bad elements, after all.

\end{sarcasm}

OneFreeKorea » 2008 » May » 13 said,

May 13, 2008 @ 7:59 pm

[…] * Finally, am I correct to suppose that North Korea’s neediest people of all will once again be excluded from this arrangement? […]

lilly said,

May 15, 2008 @ 5:06 am

i have been researching camp 22 for a school assignment and came across this. i cried reading it.

OneFreeKorea » 2008 » May » 27 said,

May 27, 2008 @ 5:36 am

[…] Now as to the charge that I seek to “change” a regime that does this kind of stuff to people, there’s no point in pressing an accusation I freely confess, proclaim, and wear as a badge of honor. Nor is it a secret that I am not cheering for the success of State’s series of surrenders to Kim Jong Il. There’s nothing hidden about any of this, and I haven’t cut politicians of either party any breaks for the stupid stuff they’ve been saying or doing. […]

dheeman bhattacharya said,

May 29, 2008 @ 1:09 pm

i m in… joshua, send me ur mail id

OneFreeKorea » Kathleen Stephens Nomination Woes Deepen said,

May 31, 2008 @ 11:56 am

[…] In March, I explained why I believe that Kathleen Stephens is the wrong person to be our next ambassador to South Korea.  In April, I explained why Senator Sam Brownback had placed a hold on Stephens’s nomination, effectively blocking it.  Brownback announced his opposition by going to the Senate floor to deliver an impassioned speech — “Google Earth has made witnesses of us all” — that made use of my own satellite imagery of Camp 22.  […]

OneFreeKorea » North Korean Human Rights Reauthorization Act Passes in House said,

June 7, 2008 @ 4:38 pm

[…] A similar bill is working its way though the utility crawlspaces under the Senate, where it was referred and read on May 19th.  The House bill itself is a fairly modest effort that merely strengthens some of the provisions of the 2004 Act.  Like every worthwhile effort, it could be improved.  A particularly timely improvement would be to deny funding for any U.S. humanitarian aid programs in North Korea unless the Administrator of USAID certifies that the North Korean government is fully cooperative in the transparent delivery of food to all North Koreans, including those who need it most desperately — the inmates of its concentration camps. […]

How many more people have to die before the world notices? « 北京哈佛书院2008 said,

July 1, 2008 @ 10:41 am

[…] A new docudrama movie was just released in South Korea, called Crossing.  Looks to be phenomenal, I’ll have to see it when I pass through Seoul on my way back to the US.  Hopefully this will stir up South Koreans at least to caring about the plight of their own people in the North, before many more people die. […]

Jacob N. said,

July 10, 2008 @ 5:11 pm

I think, people in the West, instead of interfering with the private matters of a sovereign country (in this case, North Korea), should pay more attention to what happens in their own country. For instance, the American Abu Ghraib prison or Guantanamo Bay prison, where, by the way, one of the captives is a minor. And according to the Geneva Convention, minors can not be considered POWs, instead they should be treated as victims. It will be much more beneficial to our countries if we started concentrating on our own issues, of which we have plenty, instead of spying on other countries.

Joshua said,

July 10, 2008 @ 5:38 pm

I see. So obviously you would agree that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a strictly internal matter, too.

Update:  Incidentally, aren’t you writing from Russia?  If so, I’m not sure “we in the West” would be entirely accurate on your part.

Rhesus said,

July 10, 2008 @ 5:50 pm

Guantanamo Bay = Camp 22
Abu Gharib = Auschwitz

?

I mean, the people held in Guantanamo Bay are exactly the same kind of people as those that NK puts in camps, tortures, executes in public, and shoots when they’re trying to cross into China for food, right? Isn’t that right?

I suppose that NK wasn’t interfering with the private matters of a sovereign state in its abductions of Japanese and South Korean citizens. Or perhaps NK has a full sovereign right to counterfeit other countries’ money?

I take it, Jacob, that this means people in the West shouldn’t interfere with the sovereign actions of NK if they sell nuclear materials to terrorists. It’s their business, right?

I’m willing to agree with you, though, that people in the West shouldn’t interfere with the private matters of China if it decides that occupying NK is in its sovereign interests. It is, after all, their business.

Susan said,

August 10, 2008 @ 2:22 pm

Recently I’ve come to the very uncomfortable realization that I know next to nothing about the situation in North Korea, except for meager scraps gleaned from cable news. Shame on me! Especially in light of my father’s boyhood innocence having been left on that soil when at 18 he fought in the Korean War.

I’m determined to do what I can to help in any way I can. I’m trusting God will lead me, as I believe He has to this website. Thank you, Joshua, for your perseverance. God’s blessing on you and yours.

OneFreeKorea » 1969 » December » 31 said,

August 11, 2008 @ 10:34 am

[…] Susan: Recently I’ve come to the very uncomfortable… […]

Chris said,

September 13, 2008 @ 10:38 pm

Thanks for sharing the information. I’ve also stumbled upon another possible site for a work camp with 41 fairly new huts all lined up together and 20 or so huts which have been demolished. I’m not exactly sure what this place is but there’s quite a large fence around it and those huts would hold a lot of people.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=40.029867,127.60335&z=17&t=h&hl=en-GB

What do you think?

Joe Biden’s “experience” on display - sticking up for Kim Jong-il! « The right-wing liberal said,

September 16, 2008 @ 10:55 am

[…] Joe Biden’s “experience” on display - sticking up for Kim Jong-il! Whatever one may think of Governor Palin’s views and/or knowledge of foreign policy, she’s never done this (One Free Korea, emphasis added): Four years ago, President Bush signed the North Korean Human Rights Act in an attempt to address the world’s worst human rights atrocities in our world today:  the mind-warping oppression of an entire nation, the starvation of millions while the regime blocked international aid and squandered its income on weapons, the murder of refugees and their babies, and the operation of the world’s worst concentration camps since Nazi Germany, camps that occupy vast areas of the country.  […]

OneFreeKorea » Grim Vindication: Predictably, Appeasement Fails to Disarm North Korea … Again said,

September 22, 2008 @ 2:52 pm

[…] The Bush administration’s internal divisions, its greed for a “legacy,” and its ultimate failure to apply real pressure to North Korea have come at incalculable cost to the world’s security.  In the intervening lost years, North Korea became a nuclear power and proliferated nuclear technology to Syria, perhaps to Iran, and God-only-knows who else.  Uncounted thousands have perished and been left to rot in the forests, fields, and ravines of North Korea’s death camps.  Hundreds, perhaps thousands of North Koreans have died as refugees — some drowned, some shot by snipers, others executed upon their repatriation.  Thousands more have starved in a resurgent famine that coexists with the regime’s waste of resources on a jarringly ugly skyscraper hotel it will never fill, and on a missile program that directly violates two forgotten U.N. resolutions.  Some legacy. […]

Absolute Evil « Tai-Chi Policy said,

October 12, 2008 @ 3:41 am

[…] October 12, 2008 Posted by taoist in Asia, North Korea, Torture, Travesty. trackback I stumbled across One Free Korea. The site also led me to this document. I’ve searchedbefore for Google Earth photos of North Korea’s prisoner camps, and One Free Korea actually has some of them displayed, as well as some of the testimony. […]

J said,

October 30, 2008 @ 8:14 pm

thanks for the info. u have opened my eyes.

Vee said,

November 9, 2008 @ 6:51 am

and still we let china have the olympics,
Shame on us for letting this continue.
Why hasnt k,jong being knocked off yet??
whats the hold up?

Dario said,

November 9, 2008 @ 10:04 am

Man I feel sick…
I just do not know how to make things right, how to bring order in that country, how can people be so cruel… I just do not know.

Irene Magurany said,

December 9, 2008 @ 9:04 pm

Our policy in assessing North Korea here in the US is focused on whether North Korea has nuclear weapons or not, rather than focusing on whether North Korea has done right by their citizenry or not - shameful…an unconscionable US policy at best. I agree with many others that the US and the rest of the world should act now without further delay - too much damage has already been done by allowing the death camps to run freely for half a century through 2008, even after Hitler’s Nazi and Stalin’s USSR!
Although not a very religious person myself, I can’t help thinking that the defector, Shin Dong Hyok is a godsend; in his recent visit with certain North Korean delegates to the UN, the North Korean delegates were literally shaking when they met him, knowing that he had survived camp no. 14, to tell the US about the horrors of his concentration camp experience - his story is one of innocence intact, not broken-spiritedness, and therefore a powerful weapon to be used in our negotiations with the DPRK regime
The highest-ranking North Korean official who defected in 2002-2003 said that the way to successfully deal with the DPRK is to use as a bargaining chip the exposure of the vast network of death camps concealed by the DPRK (concealed just as Nazi Germany did during WWII). This man knows what he’s talking about – he’s adamant enough to have paid an immeasurable price for it – the persecution of his own family, still in the DPRK.

Obama should use his presidential status to publicly laud Kang Chol-Hwan, defector and author of “Aquariums of Pyongyang”. Bush tried to, but the mainstream media never reported it -we need to find out why. Just as Aleksandr Solzhenitzyn was lauded and given mainstream media attention with respect to the USSR, we need to do the same with respect to the DPRK.
Finally Obama and Clinton need to insist on inspecting camp 22, just as they insisted on inspecting nuclear samples.

KCJ said,

December 11, 2008 @ 7:45 am

Irene, I am religious, I am a Soldier in Korea, and I agree with you totally. End it and end it now for the love of God, END IT NOW.

Irene Magurany said,

December 11, 2008 @ 8:27 pm

Thanks KCJ - wouldn’t it be great if we could combine the military expertise and satellite technology (something we didn’t have during WWII) to reveal the heartbreaking details to the world at large and (finally) liberate the people of the DPRK - it would be groundbreaking history - the question is, why don’t we do it?

KCJ said,

December 12, 2008 @ 8:41 am

Irene:
Harriet Beecher Stowe helped end slavery by exposing it in her 1852 publication of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”. Pro Life activists are discovering the shocking value of depicting aborted babies in living color.

You are dead on the money. We need to show the world the wicked, inhumane, satanic barbarity that is wasting human life every day in the DPRK gulags.

God Almighty have mercy on the poor victims of Juche’s horrendous darkness.

Irene Magurany said,

December 12, 2008 @ 11:54 am

KCJ: Chilling analogy! Similarly, the people helping the North Koreans escape, the so-called “underground railroad,” has the same chilling analogy to the underground railroad that operated in this country, helping slaves escape over a hundred years ago.

Adrian said,

February 4, 2009 @ 6:29 am

It’s ‘amazing’ that 60 years after the infamous Nazi Concentration Camps, we have the same thing happening except this time we have satellite images and pictures of camps readily available – IT IS REAL and IT IS HAPPENING NOW. It is so horribly depressing.

WE HAVE TO FINISH the totalitarian DPRK regime!

Irene Magurany said,

February 4, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

Adrian, I agree - how much more can we take before we realize what was so clear for so long - the time is ripe for the collapse of the DPRK regime - everything we do must be geared to bringing KJI down and saving lives, especially the lives of those very children who, just by their very being, have been crying out for so long. (see Joshua’s latest post on the DPRK’s exploitation of children).

It should be clear by now that we should have an “out of the box” approach, specific to the DPRK, as “negotiations” with the regime over the past half a century have given us nothing but blood on our hands with respect to the DPRK - infanticide, forced mass starvation, whole families rounded up to be sent to concentration camps for having “ideologically impure thoughts,” gas chambers, biological and chemical weapons testing on humans, unspeakable methods of torture accounting for the murder of millions of innocent civilians to advance Kim Jong Il’s “ideology”.

As the highest ranking defector, Hwang Jang Yop, said in 2003: “With Kim Jong Il, there will always be biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons posing a threat to us. Therefore the essence of the problem does not lie in getting rid of North Korean nuclear weapons but in overthrowing the Kim Jong Il regime.”

Finally, we can’t afford to allow the DPRK regime to “divide and conquer” public opinion anymore – in whatever we do, we must be unified.

Ian said,

February 8, 2009 @ 11:26 am

I’m astonished and sickened. I was led to this site after initially reading about The Rape of Nanking on wikipedia. After reading about the horrific abuse inflicted in medical/biological human experimentation conducted by both the Japanese and Nazi’s in WW2 I eventually linked through to North Korea and to your blog. I’m just staggered that it is happening AGAIN! How can we allow this to happen? I will be writing to the government and asking them to act as a matter of urgency - not that they care! Bigger fish to fry I guess bailing out the fat cat banks so they can continue their bonuses. The world is not right… not right at all. I will endevour to research this further and make as many people aware of what is happening as I can. You can add me as a supporter to this cause. Well done for all your effort and to all of you above. Keep it up!

[Thank you, Ian. If enough of us are outraged enough, it might actually matter. But for that to happen, we’ll have to spread the word to a lot more people. - Joshua]

gen said,

February 17, 2009 @ 7:26 am

I moved to Pusan to teach english here about 6 months ago. I was really interested in how Koreans felt about living next to north korea and how they tried to help. I had read that it wasnt really on their minds and they ignored north korea for the most part in their day to day lives but I couldnt believe it. Now that I am here, I see they really dont even notice north korea. South Korea acts like it is a little island and they want anything to do with north korea. I too was forced into this mindset. They are a society that plays video games, and sends their children to school after school to be the best. They worry about wether or not to get a double eyelid plastic surgery done more than they do about North Korea, which I guess you can blame other countries for similar flaws, but I thought that because they were once one country and both countries are so small they might have more feelings about their northern brother.I thought coming here I might feel closer to the suffering of north korea and be compelled to join a group to help the north koreans. I havent ever heard a single korea speak to me about north korea unless I asked. It is not only the western countries that dont care, south korea itself doesnt care. Its unbelievable. Whenever North Koreans are finally free, it will be exactly like every other story we have heard and they will ask why we didnt help, and we wont have any answer to give them.

TSF said,

March 1, 2009 @ 9:39 am

Its insane that Camp 22 is very active and yet you never hear anything in the media about it. Imagine a concentration camp was uncovered in Central Europe? The media worldwide would be reporting about it. Yet the only snippets of news that cover North Korea are about Kim’s missile tests. How the world powers can overlook this atrocity is beyond me.

Congrats for the excellent post Joshua. More people need to speak up for the thousands of unspoken.

Irene said,

March 4, 2009 @ 1:16 am

TSF, I totally agree - I can imagine worldwide media attention if a concentration camp were uncovered in Central Europe - it’s insane - the media “silence” about Camp 22 is very disturbing … more than one person has commented that it seems as if the media is actually suppressing the facts - we need to find out what’s going on…

David Thomas said,

April 15, 2009 @ 2:30 am

The West can’t do anything to North Korea without China getting involved. It’s that simple. If you want to “liberate” North Korea. You are gonna have to go to war with the Chinese.

Joshua said,

April 15, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

David Thomas is wrong, as those who offer simplistic answers and false choices usually are.

Sonagi said,

April 15, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

Joshua,

You are absolutely correct that Chinese need to be marginalized. They may lean on North Korea when it is in their own interests, but China will never be a constructive partner in the six-party talks because China’s primary interest is ensuring that the Koreas remain divided. In Chinese language forums, it is assumed that China must keep North Korea as a buffer state against the ROK-US military alliance. Judging by netizen comments, Chinese citizens would be receptive to a PRC incursion into North Korea to keep the South Korean and/or US army from reaching the Yalu and Tumen Rivers. The Chinese don’t think the ROK-US forces would actually invade China. They just don’t want the US army or an allied ROK army on the border.

Dana said,

April 16, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

It would be great if the North Korean communist could be taken out of power peacefully. I pray for it, and I would be willing to try Joshua’s plan. Sadly, I am not sure if it can be done peacefully. Realistly, think it will come to a violent end. China does need to be “marginalized” too, they are no help because they are on the North Korean governments side, they are basically the same. Our goal should be to help communism fall in China too, North Korea likely will do the same too.

Bobo said,

April 28, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Here is a particularly nasty looking camp:
42.45′29″ N 129.49′05″ E

Joshua said,

April 29, 2009 @ 9:45 am

Is there a fence line around it? I didn’t see one.

interst said,

April 30, 2009 @ 2:03 pm

most interesting, thanks for the hard work.

Bilgeman said,

May 25, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

Joshua:

Monumental, sir. I am trembling after reading this work of yours, I can think of few historical documents that could compare to it,

And damn you. For such knowledge as you have imparted here carries with it a moral obligation to find some way to help stop this, or to no longer consider myself a human worthy of the name.

You’ve assembled it all, it’s all there, a systematically organized politically motivated extermination of humans for no other reason than the accident of their birth.

This Holocaust is not some past crime, nor some mindless paroxysm of savagery that unleashed, like a passing storm, a sudden river of blood, this is the very essence of what the Kim regime is, and it is happening now…today.

God willing, may it cease tomorrow.

We will speak later.

Jim said,

May 30, 2009 @ 10:01 am

I find it interesting that much of the previous posting criticizes the media for not giving more coverage to the inhumanitites of NK. Is anyone really surprised? The “Big Media” has been making excuses and justifications for socialist and communist regimes since the 60’s. It’s not Castro’s fault that his people suffer. It’s America’s evil materialism. It’s really not Kim Jong Il and his father’s fault that NK is isolated and suffering. It’s really our fault for not accepting their “culture”. Where’s the “mainstream” media? It’s partially in bed with those murderous fools! When GW Bush made some remarks about how much he loathed Kim Jong Il and what he does to his people leading up to the 2000 election HE was criticized by the reporter! When so many of our own press hate our own president more than a bona fide despot the ability to remain even mildly objective is not possible. I guess they don’t quite get the idea that they would be the first in the gulags when the troops roll in. It also points out how ineffective the UN is at dealing with human rights on any level. How many have been killed in deference to restraining orders? How many have been slaughtered after strong UN resolutions? The UN has about 60 years of failure on its record when dealing with these situations.

Maybe it’s easy here in the middle of flyover land to spout off about these problems, but in the end it’s the young men and women from the less glamorous parts of the US who die to deal with these problems. When our leaders don’t have the intestinal fortitude to finish the messes they started they just pass an armistice or resolution to avoid making hard decisions. Leave it for another generation to deal with, even if it means the problem grows exponentially.

We see the failings and destructiveness of absolute government control in NK. A leader with a cult of personality to the Nth degree. Now, with the last administration and ramped up with the current, we head towards the path of government gaining more and more control. A mojority wanted hope and change. Yes we can! The blind, unquestioning faith of the masses that eerily resembles the tortured smiles of those in crowds of those at the beginning of these regimes. So, who or what will be our Franz Ferdinand?

Against Holocaust said,

June 8, 2009 @ 4:09 am

I thought and hoped that all that comes to the darkest and evilst part of the time was history bud guess not :-(

Apple Somoza said,

June 9, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

Thank you for furthering educating us about the horrifying, inhumane, practices of North Korea. It is shocking and this is reality to these people.

Carrie said,

June 28, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

Joshua, thank you so much for this. It’s people like you that have inspired me to become active in human rights and I hope you never stop forcing your readers to see the truth. It takes such a strong person to keep as involved as you are without caving into the overwhelming feelings of helplessness and cynicism. It’s all we can do to spread the word and leave one less person in ignorance. Best of luck to you.

terry mccullough said,

August 11, 2009 @ 10:45 am

i can’t believe that I live in a day that is like or greater than the holocaust… this breaks my heart that ALL gov allows a man like this to breathe the air… He is a poor excuse for life….i just pray that God will judge him soon… Free that country

Walter Steenvoorden said,

November 4, 2009 @ 12:24 am

Thanks for this very insightful look on North Korea, I was astounded by all the horrofic atrocities which are still preformed on a daily basis. I sincerly hope that this North Korean reign ends soon and that the people who are responsable for all this misery are tried before the international court of justics in the Hague for their crimes. We once all agreed that concentration camps, gaschambers and systematic killing, and I think that China, Russia, the US and the EU need to team up and take the Kims out of business.

Nick said,

November 10, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

Not one of our spineless Western leaders has even mentioned North Korea. They are too busy keeping a wary eye over oil filled Iraq. Regime change was the reason for the invasion of Iraq, yet North Korea remains off limits and commits atrocities on a par with Auschwitz.

lee said,

November 26, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

very shocking but also very educating. And in response to nicks comment above,, there isnt any ‘financial’ interests for the west in north korea if that makes sense. and it IS wrong the way it is ignored.

Menno said,

December 6, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

There is a lot of evidence on the allied forces in W.W.II being informed about the existence of all German camps. Never has there been any attempt to keep the Germans from killing their millions, a fact that, in my opinion, makes the allied forces co-responsible. And I think the same can be said about every state involved in negotiations with North Korea.

Pops said,

December 7, 2009 @ 6:57 am

Regarding the discussion of the Allies not bombing the German concentration camps, please see an interesting review of the subject at:
http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/04/why-the-allies-didn%E2%80%99t-bomb-the-death-camps-part-i/

Like everything in life, there is more than meets the eye regarding the issue of aerial bombing the death camps. It is very easy to second guess and criticize the members of an earlier generation for decisions they made in the context of their time on the planet, with the critic’s benefit of current perspective and information not necessarily available, or available widely back then, in the detail and accessibility found today. The subject warrants further discussion and examination, as the past certainly offers painful lessons to consider as we reflect on the misery of North Korea and other places today.

And for North Korea today, it’s a matter worth further discussion. In ascribing responsibility for the North Korean concentration camp atrocities reported, beyond the damned Kim regime itself, it is easy to point fingers. It’s less easy to judge the costs of the known and estimate the unintended consequences of any sharp actions, and accept responsibility for initiating serious actions with an unpredictable outcome. And to apportion blame? To whom? And going how far back in time? To the Korean War, say the North Koreans who started it, the Russians who enabled it and/or the Chinese who sustained it? To World War II and the Americans or Russians who divided it? To Imperial Japan who colonized? To China who failed to protect? To the Choson Dynasty who was unprepared and unable to defend itself?

Irene Magurany said,

December 7, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

@Pops and Menno, we have the intelligence assets to effectively stop the NK holocaust today with minimal unintended consequences /unpredictable outcomes, UNLIKE the limited technology of the WWII era - the question is, why aren’t we using it?
Furthermore the “discussion” has shifted from “who is to blame” to effectively ensuring the “never again” status of the future holocausts - given the benefit of hindsight, past mistakes made and our history, it remains an unconscionable decision by our present government to do nothing towards this end, as history will most surely make note.

Me864 said,

December 20, 2009 @ 12:56 am

*terrified.*

Michelle in San Francisco said,

February 9, 2010 @ 12:56 am

My heart is breaking for these people. Lord Jesus please save these poor people! I don’t know of anything else to do but to pray for their strength and salvation from the evil and pain.

Ginny said,

February 18, 2010 @ 9:09 pm

For me, it’s unfathomable that anything like the whole North Korea can even exist in this modern time. Especially in comparison to South - it’s horrifying but at the same time fascinating, in a very morbid “1984″-kind of way. I find myself reading more and more about N-Korea and their ways - not a very common topic of interest for a 20-year old girl I suppose. Thanks for this article, and whole site.

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