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	<title>Comments on: The Death of an Alliance, Part 67</title>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; Impervious to Evidence: State&#8217;s Appeasement Express Arrives at the Koryo Hotel</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2007/09/07/the-death-of-an-alliance-part-67/comment-page-1/#comment-55643</link>
		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; Impervious to Evidence: State&#8217;s Appeasement Express Arrives at the Koryo Hotel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Really, I think the North Koreans couldÂ lower Megumi Yokota into a vat of undisclosed highlyÂ enriched uranium before theÂ very eyes of our diplomats and suffer no adverse consequences.Â  Ditto if they then loaded the vats onto a plane bound for Tehran.Â Â No matter the outrage or evidence, State isÂ bound and determined to pad its resume by fillingÂ our storeÂ shelves with toxic Dora the Explorer plush toys madeÂ by enslaved toddlers inÂ Camp 22 before Bush leaves office.Â  Maybe they&#8217;re thinking that &#8220;only Nixon can go to China.&#8221;Â  And it&#8217;s true that too many conservatives aren&#8217;t applying a very skeptical outlook to this deal, possibly because it&#8217;s being done on Bush&#8217;s watch, and because Bush has been careful to seem detached from the process, and to make his own public commentsÂ seem skeptical.Â  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Really, I think the North Koreans couldÂ lower Megumi Yokota into a vat of undisclosed highlyÂ enriched uranium before theÂ very eyes of our diplomats and suffer no adverse consequences.Â  Ditto if they then loaded the vats onto a plane bound for Tehran.Â Â No matter the outrage or evidence, State isÂ bound and determined to pad its resume by fillingÂ our storeÂ shelves with toxic Dora the Explorer plush toys madeÂ by enslaved toddlers inÂ Camp 22 before Bush leaves office.Â  Maybe they&#8217;re thinking that &#8220;only Nixon can go to China.&#8221;Â  And it&#8217;s true that too many conservatives aren&#8217;t applying a very skeptical outlook to this deal, possibly because it&#8217;s being done on Bush&#8217;s watch, and because Bush has been careful to seem detached from the process, and to make his own public commentsÂ seem skeptical.Â  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sheehan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Sheehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Overseas view] What Roh wanted from Bush

Some observers suspect that this exchange was a deliberate performance to demonstrate Rohâ€™s bona fides to the North before the October North-South summit. 

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2880428</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Overseas view] What Roh wanted from Bush</p>
<p>Some observers suspect that this exchange was a deliberate performance to demonstrate Rohâ€™s bona fides to the North before the October North-South summit. </p>
<p><a href="http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2880428" rel="nofollow">http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2880428</a></p>
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		<title>By: DPRK Studies</title>
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		<dc:creator>DPRK Studies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 21:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What Roh Actually Said to Bush in Sydney...&lt;/strong&gt;

As it turns out, jokes about Roh Moo-hyun being North Korean leader Kim Jong-ilâ€™s spokesman aren&#8217;t that far off the mark.  
Commenter Sonagi has provided a link to the official South Korean version of the Bush-Roh exchange in Sydney, Australia ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What Roh Actually Said to Bush in Sydney&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>As it turns out, jokes about Roh Moo-hyun being North Korean leader Kim Jong-ilâ€™s spokesman aren&#8217;t that far off the mark.<br />
Commenter Sonagi has provided a link to the official South Korean version of the Bush-Roh exchange in Sydney, Australia &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess on why the Korean media is ignoring it is Korean pride plus.  They don&#039;t want to look foolish or bad on the international stage.  They also don&#039;t want to get or keep a boat rocking on that stage by doing this up in the Korean press and perhaps giving CNN or even Japanese media more food for a possible feeding frenzy.

However, I think one reason Roh did this, and perhaps one reason why the press isn&#039;t gungho to cover it, is that Koreans see Bush as the most hated man on the planet.  

They see him being beaten up constantly by the American press and in American politics, and they see the kind of typical Euro-centric hate that gets spit out over him, and Roh figured Bush was fair game....

He, and Korea, isn&#039;t familiar with the subtleties of Western culture and diplomacy enough to know that a Chirac would not go about busting Bush&#039;s balls in this manner in that setting (but would do it in other ways....).

Even when Chirac was staying Tony Blair must have had a lower class upbringing, he didn&#039;t do it with Blair sitting in an armchair beside him at the time.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess on why the Korean media is ignoring it is Korean pride plus.  They don&#8217;t want to look foolish or bad on the international stage.  They also don&#8217;t want to get or keep a boat rocking on that stage by doing this up in the Korean press and perhaps giving CNN or even Japanese media more food for a possible feeding frenzy.</p>
<p>However, I think one reason Roh did this, and perhaps one reason why the press isn&#8217;t gungho to cover it, is that Koreans see Bush as the most hated man on the planet.  </p>
<p>They see him being beaten up constantly by the American press and in American politics, and they see the kind of typical Euro-centric hate that gets spit out over him, and Roh figured Bush was fair game&#8230;.</p>
<p>He, and Korea, isn&#8217;t familiar with the subtleties of Western culture and diplomacy enough to know that a Chirac would not go about busting Bush&#8217;s balls in this manner in that setting (but would do it in other ways&#8230;.).</p>
<p>Even when Chirac was staying Tony Blair must have had a lower class upbringing, he didn&#8217;t do it with Blair sitting in an armchair beside him at the time&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;One fact Iâ€™ve noticed is how little connection there often is between the ability to absorb fact and the ability to plug those facts into a process of dispassionate reasoning toward a logical conclusion. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed.  As a teacher, I can attest to that truth.  You might be familiar with the work of Harvard professor Howard Gardner, who introduced the idea of multiple intelligences.  Among the eight different types of intelligence, modern formal education focuses on two,  verbal/linguistic and logical/mathematical, over the others, visual/spatial, musical, interpersonal, intrapersonal (self-reflective), bodily kinesthetic, and naturalistic (an understanding and appreciation of natural laws, patterns, and order).  

I am not a keen follower of Korean politics, so I don&#039;t know Roh as well as you do, but I surmise from his background that he is high in interpersonal and possibly verbal/linguistic intelligences, depending on the strategies he used to memorize his way through the bar exam.

As much as I have always disliked Bush Jr., I object strongly to name-calling him as &quot;stupid&quot; or &quot;idiot.&quot;  Like Roh, Bush didn&#039;t get as far as he did by being dumb.  Bush isn&#039;t high in verbal/linguistic intelligence, but he probably has brilliant interpersonal skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;One fact Iâ€™ve noticed is how little connection there often is between the ability to absorb fact and the ability to plug those facts into a process of dispassionate reasoning toward a logical conclusion. &#8220;</i></p>
<p>Indeed.  As a teacher, I can attest to that truth.  You might be familiar with the work of Harvard professor Howard Gardner, who introduced the idea of multiple intelligences.  Among the eight different types of intelligence, modern formal education focuses on two,  verbal/linguistic and logical/mathematical, over the others, visual/spatial, musical, interpersonal, intrapersonal (self-reflective), bodily kinesthetic, and naturalistic (an understanding and appreciation of natural laws, patterns, and order).  </p>
<p>I am not a keen follower of Korean politics, so I don&#8217;t know Roh as well as you do, but I surmise from his background that he is high in interpersonal and possibly verbal/linguistic intelligences, depending on the strategies he used to memorize his way through the bar exam.</p>
<p>As much as I have always disliked Bush Jr., I object strongly to name-calling him as &#8220;stupid&#8221; or &#8220;idiot.&#8221;  Like Roh, Bush didn&#8217;t get as far as he did by being dumb.  Bush isn&#8217;t high in verbal/linguistic intelligence, but he probably has brilliant interpersonal skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Millar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rand Millar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings Joshua Stanton. Your analysis of Mr. Roh&#039;s raw mental potential is on the mark, and his awareness of the same may explain why he claimed to be Korea&#039;s Abraham Lincoln, another lawyer of exceptional professional skill who was entirely lacking in formal legal training. Alas, the comparison leaves off there; in the conduct of his presidency Mr. Roh more closely resembled Lincoln&#039;s immediate predecessor James Buchanan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings Joshua Stanton. Your analysis of Mr. Roh&#8217;s raw mental potential is on the mark, and his awareness of the same may explain why he claimed to be Korea&#8217;s Abraham Lincoln, another lawyer of exceptional professional skill who was entirely lacking in formal legal training. Alas, the comparison leaves off there; in the conduct of his presidency Mr. Roh more closely resembled Lincoln&#8217;s immediate predecessor James Buchanan.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Roh may be many things, but heâ€™s not stupidâ€¦&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My point, and I think &lt;del datetime=&quot;2007-09-08T18:26:52+00:00&quot;&gt;most&lt;/del&gt; all of you get this, is that Roh has a high capacity to absorb facts, and would probably earn a high raw IQ score.  The pass rate for the Korean bar exam is, what, 3%?  Assuming Roh didn&#039;t cheat his way through it (which would explain the contradiction) you can&#039;t deny that that&#039;s a pretty impressive achievement for a guy who never went to law school.

One fact I&#039;ve noticed is how little connection there often is between the ability to absorb fact and the ability to plug those facts into a process of dispassionate reasoning toward a logical conclusion.  This is where Roh is obviously weak.  Emotion can certainly be one barrier to that process.  Roh seems to approach every problem with a solution already derived from a rather skewed hierarchy of emotions.  Just as Roh is adept at absorbing facts, he&#039;s adept at throwing out &lt;a href=&quot;http://freekorea.us/2007/02/18/holocaust-now-looking-down-into-hell-at-camp-22/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cold, hard facts&lt;/a&gt; that undermine his predetermined conclusions.

So I suppose it depends on how you define &quot;stupid.&quot;  If you opt for Forrest Gump&#039;s definition, there&#039;s no doubt about it:  Roh does and therefore is a stupid man.  How ironic for him to be elected to lead a nation that has produced some extraordinarily intelligent and fertile minds.  But Roh was also &quot;smart&quot; enough to have made his way (if ever so briefly) to the top of the conniving and treacherous world of Korean politics.  His term of office far outlasted this summiting, of course.  More to the point, he&#039;s smart enough to realize that he was picking a public spat with the POTUS for a reason.

[typo and run-on sentence fixed]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Roh may be many things, but heâ€™s not stupidâ€¦</p></blockquote>
<p>My point, and I think <del datetime="2007-09-08T18:26:52+00:00">most</del> all of you get this, is that Roh has a high capacity to absorb facts, and would probably earn a high raw IQ score.  The pass rate for the Korean bar exam is, what, 3%?  Assuming Roh didn&#8217;t cheat his way through it (which would explain the contradiction) you can&#8217;t deny that that&#8217;s a pretty impressive achievement for a guy who never went to law school.</p>
<p>One fact I&#8217;ve noticed is how little connection there often is between the ability to absorb fact and the ability to plug those facts into a process of dispassionate reasoning toward a logical conclusion.  This is where Roh is obviously weak.  Emotion can certainly be one barrier to that process.  Roh seems to approach every problem with a solution already derived from a rather skewed hierarchy of emotions.  Just as Roh is adept at absorbing facts, he&#8217;s adept at throwing out <a href="http://freekorea.us/2007/02/18/holocaust-now-looking-down-into-hell-at-camp-22/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">cold, hard facts</a> that undermine his predetermined conclusions.</p>
<p>So I suppose it depends on how you define &#8220;stupid.&#8221;  If you opt for Forrest Gump&#8217;s definition, there&#8217;s no doubt about it:  Roh does and therefore is a stupid man.  How ironic for him to be elected to lead a nation that has produced some extraordinarily intelligent and fertile minds.  But Roh was also &#8220;smart&#8221; enough to have made his way (if ever so briefly) to the top of the conniving and treacherous world of Korean politics.  His term of office far outlasted this summiting, of course.  More to the point, he&#8217;s smart enough to realize that he was picking a public spat with the POTUS for a reason.</p>
<p>[typo and run-on sentence fixed]</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gobsmacked by the quality of my comments section these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gobsmacked by the quality of my comments section these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Millar</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2007/09/07/the-death-of-an-alliance-part-67/comment-page-1/#comment-53519</link>
		<dc:creator>Rand Millar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Morning all. With regard to slim&#039;s first comment above, it is of concern if the election of a Lee Myung-bak would be as a bracing bucket of icewater on the younger elements of the Korean polity, or if indeed &quot;the rot is too far gone.&quot;  Perhaps nearly immediate indicators would be a sharp rise in barber-shop receipts, and a corresponding drop in men&#039;s haircoloring sales.

I concur in our host&#039;s lauding Mr. Bush&#039;s diplomatic demeanor during this jaunt; though frankly I expect that Mr. Stanton&#039;s suggested replacement response to Mr. Roh&#039;s calculated importunacy would have been the needed bracing bucket of icewater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning all. With regard to slim&#8217;s first comment above, it is of concern if the election of a Lee Myung-bak would be as a bracing bucket of icewater on the younger elements of the Korean polity, or if indeed &#8220;the rot is too far gone.&#8221;  Perhaps nearly immediate indicators would be a sharp rise in barber-shop receipts, and a corresponding drop in men&#8217;s haircoloring sales.</p>
<p>I concur in our host&#8217;s lauding Mr. Bush&#8217;s diplomatic demeanor during this jaunt; though frankly I expect that Mr. Stanton&#8217;s suggested replacement response to Mr. Roh&#8217;s calculated importunacy would have been the needed bracing bucket of icewater.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2007/09/07/the-death-of-an-alliance-part-67/comment-page-1/#comment-53513</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jack,

I would translate the boldface text as follows:

&quot;Same story.  Same story, Chairman Kim Jong-il and the South Korean people want to hear a different story.&quot;

Isn&#039;t it telling that he left the North Korean people out of the picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jack,</p>
<p>I would translate the boldface text as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;Same story.  Same story, Chairman Kim Jong-il and the South Korean people want to hear a different story.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it telling that he left the North Korean people out of the picture?</p>
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