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	<title>Comments on: Sunday Times:  Israelis Seized N. Korean &#8216;Nuclear Material&#8217; in Syria</title>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; Kim Jong Il&#8217;s Moment of Truth, and Bush&#8217;s</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2007/09/22/times-of-london-israelis-seized-n-korean-nuclear-material-in-syria/comment-page-1/#comment-55549</link>
		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; Kim Jong Il&#8217;s Moment of Truth, and Bush&#8217;s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That&#8217;s a pretty sad contrast to draw, and a potent oneÂ in the midst of a Republican presidential nomination contest.Â  Pressure from an outspoken Republican contender could be the last best hope for bringing President Bush to his senses about a regime that proliferates even while agreeing to disarm.Â  Predictably, the media are giving Bush a free pass for behaving like Jimmy Carter.Â  That removes much of the incentive for Bush to stop stonewalling Congress about proliferation to Syria or secret deals to remove North Korea from the terror list (whileÂ Kim Jong IlÂ gets to keep the hostagesÂ he&#8217;s holdingÂ for ransom &#8220;reparations&#8220;).Â  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That&#8217;s a pretty sad contrast to draw, and a potent oneÂ in the midst of a Republican presidential nomination contest.Â  Pressure from an outspoken Republican contender could be the last best hope for bringing President Bush to his senses about a regime that proliferates even while agreeing to disarm.Â  Predictably, the media are giving Bush a free pass for behaving like Jimmy Carter.Â  That removes much of the incentive for Bush to stop stonewalling Congress about proliferation to Syria or secret deals to remove North Korea from the terror list (whileÂ Kim Jong IlÂ gets to keep the hostagesÂ he&#8217;s holdingÂ for ransom &#8220;reparations&#8220;).Â  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; Links for 12 Oct 07</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; Links for 12 Oct 07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] *Â  Second Thoughts?Â  If you haven&#8217;t yet read Richardson&#8217;s post or the NYT story he links, it appears that the Syria story is giving some members of this administration second thoughts about Agreed Framework 2.0.Â  The NYT story is badly written, and does a generally poor job of layingÂ out the variousÂ suspicionsÂ and what evidence support each of them.Â  While the publicly available evidence is in considerable conflict and probably a small part of the picture, I&#8217;ve done several posts to lay it all out: here,Â here, and here.Â  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] *Â  Second Thoughts?Â  If you haven&#8217;t yet read Richardson&#8217;s post or the NYT story he links, it appears that the Syria story is giving some members of this administration second thoughts about Agreed Framework 2.0.Â  The NYT story is badly written, and does a generally poor job of layingÂ out the variousÂ suspicionsÂ and what evidence support each of them.Â  While the publicly available evidence is in considerable conflict and probably a small part of the picture, I&#8217;ve done several posts to lay it all out: here,Â here, and here.Â  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; Define &#8220;All&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; Define &#8220;All&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WhateverÂ the Israelis found and destroyedÂ in Syria appears to have dissuaded neither North Korea nor the United States from continuing with this deal.Â  No reports are yet suggesting that North Korea will be removed from the terror list immediately. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] WhateverÂ the Israelis found and destroyedÂ in Syria appears to have dissuaded neither North Korea nor the United States from continuing with this deal.Â  No reports are yet suggesting that North Korea will be removed from the terror list immediately. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Speculation on the North Korea-Syria Nuclear Connection at DPRK Studies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speculation on the North Korea-Syria Nuclear Connection at DPRK Studies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sunday Times: Israelis Seized N. Korean &#8216;Nuclear Material&#8217; in Syria [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sunday Times: Israelis Seized N. Korean &#8216;Nuclear Material&#8217; in Syria [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is what I&#039;m speculating at my site that it has to be more than missiles and possibly chemical and biological tipped missiles with help from Nork engineers.  Whatever happened the Israelis clearly have the Syrians by the balls for sake of a better term judging by their reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is what I&#8217;m speculating at my site that it has to be more than missiles and possibly chemical and biological tipped missiles with help from Nork engineers.  Whatever happened the Israelis clearly have the Syrians by the balls for sake of a better term judging by their reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be TD-2s or chem-equipped missiles. If we have evidence of it being nuclear, it will have to come out sooner or later, to be put under the microscope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be TD-2s or chem-equipped missiles. If we have evidence of it being nuclear, it will have to come out sooner or later, to be put under the microscope.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the strike was against only a Syrian missile facility I highly doubt the Syrian reaction would be so mute.  Plus why would Israel bomb Syrian missiles supplied by North Korea now when they have been living with these missiles in Syria for years?  I think the Syrian reaction shows that there is more to this than just missiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the strike was against only a Syrian missile facility I highly doubt the Syrian reaction would be so mute.  Plus why would Israel bomb Syrian missiles supplied by North Korea now when they have been living with these missiles in Syria for years?  I think the Syrian reaction shows that there is more to this than just missiles.</p>
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		<title>By: Syria-North Korea Connection Scenarios at ROK Drop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syria-North Korea Connection Scenarios at ROK Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To echo Joshua, where is Kim Jong-Bill when you need him? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To echo Joshua, where is Kim Jong-Bill when you need him? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DPRK Forum &#187; More information about Syria, but unconfirmed</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2007/09/22/times-of-london-israelis-seized-n-korean-nuclear-material-in-syria/comment-page-1/#comment-54783</link>
		<dc:creator>DPRK Forum &#187; More information about Syria, but unconfirmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: See Left Flank&#8217;s reaction. Also see One Free Korea.      [?]  Share This [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Update: See Left Flank&#8217;s reaction. Also see One Free Korea.      [?]  Share This [...]</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At what point do we take North Korea out?

At what point does that question move from some hypothetical, at a party, after a few drinks, question --- to one that is going on seriously with a needed answer pressing?

At some point, you have to use preemption or deterrence or whatever you want to call it.

Allowing Syria and Iran to have nuclear weapons via North Korea&#039;s help is insane ------- if we are also going to keep our relationship with Israel.

Abandoning Israel is not only politically unthinkable (but more likely the closer those nations come to demonstrating they have nuclear warheads) but it is only slightly more absurd than the idea of accepting that Syria and Iran are nuclear states.

Are we going to accept both being involved in that region (Israel, Iraq, Turkey, Afghanistan, Egypt) + accept we are sitting right beside nations who are radically inclined to hate us, who are the major sources of funding and material aid to (terrorist) groups striking at our key ally in the region and at us periodically, and who have nuclear weapons?

Let me cut this short....

Are we going to accept the possibility of war with nuclear armed foes in the short to medium term?

Or, are we going to accept isolated terror attacks against ourselves and periodic flare ups against Israel - with those flare ups pushing us toward a war we will never fight because of those nuclear weapons?

Or, are we going to retreat from the region to a safer location away from their nukes --- thus shifting the control of the region to the likes of Tehran and gas prices at about $10.00 a gallon or higher.

(People on the left like to throw around terms like &quot;blood for oil&quot; but we are talking about lives on a global scale.  Oil drives the global economy, and the global economy is what allows the flow of goods and services that benefit far more than just the fat cats of the West.  --- Turning back the clock to localism or regionalism is not going to produce a healthier world....)

And what happens when NK gives Iran (and Syria) the rocket power to reach London with the warhead.  How far into Europe (or China) can Iran&#039;s Korean missiles already reach?

At some point, the pain you have to accept today is justified by the world you are trying to prevent from coming about....

If NK is going the route of selling nuclear material, it must be taken out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At what point do we take North Korea out?</p>
<p>At what point does that question move from some hypothetical, at a party, after a few drinks, question &#8212; to one that is going on seriously with a needed answer pressing?</p>
<p>At some point, you have to use preemption or deterrence or whatever you want to call it.</p>
<p>Allowing Syria and Iran to have nuclear weapons via North Korea&#8217;s help is insane &#8212;&#8212;- if we are also going to keep our relationship with Israel.</p>
<p>Abandoning Israel is not only politically unthinkable (but more likely the closer those nations come to demonstrating they have nuclear warheads) but it is only slightly more absurd than the idea of accepting that Syria and Iran are nuclear states.</p>
<p>Are we going to accept both being involved in that region (Israel, Iraq, Turkey, Afghanistan, Egypt) + accept we are sitting right beside nations who are radically inclined to hate us, who are the major sources of funding and material aid to (terrorist) groups striking at our key ally in the region and at us periodically, and who have nuclear weapons?</p>
<p>Let me cut this short&#8230;.</p>
<p>Are we going to accept the possibility of war with nuclear armed foes in the short to medium term?</p>
<p>Or, are we going to accept isolated terror attacks against ourselves and periodic flare ups against Israel &#8211; with those flare ups pushing us toward a war we will never fight because of those nuclear weapons?</p>
<p>Or, are we going to retreat from the region to a safer location away from their nukes &#8212; thus shifting the control of the region to the likes of Tehran and gas prices at about $10.00 a gallon or higher.</p>
<p>(People on the left like to throw around terms like &#8220;blood for oil&#8221; but we are talking about lives on a global scale.  Oil drives the global economy, and the global economy is what allows the flow of goods and services that benefit far more than just the fat cats of the West.  &#8212; Turning back the clock to localism or regionalism is not going to produce a healthier world&#8230;.)</p>
<p>And what happens when NK gives Iran (and Syria) the rocket power to reach London with the warhead.  How far into Europe (or China) can Iran&#8217;s Korean missiles already reach?</p>
<p>At some point, the pain you have to accept today is justified by the world you are trying to prevent from coming about&#8230;.</p>
<p>If NK is going the route of selling nuclear material, it must be taken out.</p>
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