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	<title>Comments on: The Beginning of the End:  Food Shortages Reach Pyongyang (Updated)</title>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; What Should the Senate Ask Kathleen Stephens?</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/03/20/the-beginning-of-the-end-food-shortages-reach-pyongyang/comment-page-1/#comment-57214</link>
		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; What Should the Senate Ask Kathleen Stephens?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Let me open the bidding by asking what Ms. Stephens, as Ambassador, would do to address outrages like this. I&#8217;d like to know how high a priority Ms. Stephens would make of dusting off OPLAN 5029 in light of the unfolding untergang in Pyongyang (pst - I know someone who would make a fine military attache). And I&#8217;d like to know what role she had in the State Department&#8217;s blocking of the North Korean Human Rights Act, most vividly illustrated by the disgraceful behavior of our Consul in Shenyang. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Let me open the bidding by asking what Ms. Stephens, as Ambassador, would do to address outrages like this. I&#8217;d like to know how high a priority Ms. Stephens would make of dusting off OPLAN 5029 in light of the unfolding untergang in Pyongyang (pst &#8211; I know someone who would make a fine military attache). And I&#8217;d like to know what role she had in the State Department&#8217;s blocking of the North Korean Human Rights Act, most vividly illustrated by the disgraceful behavior of our Consul in Shenyang. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Siemens Says &#187; Blog Archive &#187; N Korea&#8217;s food crisis</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/03/20/the-beginning-of-the-end-food-shortages-reach-pyongyang/comment-page-1/#comment-57131</link>
		<dc:creator>Siemens Says &#187; Blog Archive &#187; N Korea&#8217;s food crisis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pyongyang citizens are considered the most well-off in the isolated, impoverished country, where the government controls most means of production and operates a centralized ration system. Only those deemed most loyal to Kim Jong Ilâ€™s regime are allowed to live in the capital. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pyongyang citizens are considered the most well-off in the isolated, impoverished country, where the government controls most means of production and operates a centralized ration system. Only those deemed most loyal to Kim Jong Ilâ€™s regime are allowed to live in the capital. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; 2008 &#187; March &#187; 25</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/03/20/the-beginning-of-the-end-food-shortages-reach-pyongyang/comment-page-1/#comment-57110</link>
		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; 2008 &#187; March &#187; 25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This year, food shortages are reported even in elite Pyongyang, a place the regime has long fed at the expense of every other part of the country.Â  Some analysts believe that the markets are the only thing standing between North Korea and a second Great Famine.Â  The last one probably killed millions. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This year, food shortages are reported even in elite Pyongyang, a place the regime has long fed at the expense of every other part of the country.Â  Some analysts believe that the markets are the only thing standing between North Korea and a second Great Famine.Â  The last one probably killed millions. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: North Korea Cancels April Spring Friendship Art Festival &#171; North Korea Monitor</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/03/20/the-beginning-of-the-end-food-shortages-reach-pyongyang/comment-page-1/#comment-57091</link>
		<dc:creator>North Korea Cancels April Spring Friendship Art Festival &#171; North Korea Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This news comes on the heels of reports that food distribution in Pyongyang has ceased (see: â€œThe Beginning of the End: Food Shortages Reach Pyongyangâ€ over at One Free Korea).     Posted by nkmonitor Filed in Inside North Korea [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This news comes on the heels of reports that food distribution in Pyongyang has ceased (see: â€œThe Beginning of the End: Food Shortages Reach Pyongyangâ€ over at One Free Korea).     Posted by nkmonitor Filed in Inside North Korea [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; I Know a Dead Parrot When I See One</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; I Know a Dead Parrot When I See One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I confess to being less interested in staticÂ diplomacy with Kim Jong Il than in the increasingly fluid events that will decideÂ how long we&#8217;ll have to bother with him at all.Â  ForÂ some timeÂ now, but certainlyÂ since Geneva, we&#8217;d arrived at the point where our finest diplomatic minds could notÂ defend Agreed Framework 2.0 as a viable and productive process without the customer pointingÂ out whereÂ the parrot&#8217;sÂ feet were nailed toÂ the perch. &#8220;The basic problem &#8230; is that the DPRK is not yet prepared to provide the complete and correct declaration,&#8221; Assistant Secretary of State Chris Hill said, referring to the nation by its formal name, the Democratic People&#8217;s Republic of Korea.Â  [Reuters, Arshad Mohammed and Paul Eckert] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I confess to being less interested in staticÂ diplomacy with Kim Jong Il than in the increasingly fluid events that will decideÂ how long we&#8217;ll have to bother with him at all.Â  ForÂ some timeÂ now, but certainlyÂ since Geneva, we&#8217;d arrived at the point where our finest diplomatic minds could notÂ defend Agreed Framework 2.0 as a viable and productive process without the customer pointingÂ out whereÂ the parrot&#8217;sÂ feet were nailed toÂ the perch. &#8220;The basic problem &#8230; is that the DPRK is not yet prepared to provide the complete and correct declaration,&#8221; Assistant Secretary of State Chris Hill said, referring to the nation by its formal name, the Democratic People&#8217;s Republic of Korea.Â  [Reuters, Arshad Mohammed and Paul Eckert] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Chinese would be willing to take food out of Chinese mouths to feed North Koreans because they can squash Chinese protesters and keep them quiet.  Also keep in mind the Chinese can buy food to send to North Korea from a 3rd country.  

A North Korean collapse before or during the Olympics would be an absolute disaster for the Chinese and they will be eager to prevent in anyway possible.  However, who knows what will happen?  North Korea is a very difficult country to make predictions with and thus the US should be prepared for all possible collapse scenarios which currently we are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Chinese would be willing to take food out of Chinese mouths to feed North Koreans because they can squash Chinese protesters and keep them quiet.  Also keep in mind the Chinese can buy food to send to North Korea from a 3rd country.  </p>
<p>A North Korean collapse before or during the Olympics would be an absolute disaster for the Chinese and they will be eager to prevent in anyway possible.  However, who knows what will happen?  North Korea is a very difficult country to make predictions with and thus the US should be prepared for all possible collapse scenarios which currently we are not.</p>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; 2008 &#187; March &#187; 22</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; 2008 &#187; March &#187; 22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Beginning of the End: Food Shortages ... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bent Notes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; They&#8217;re starving again in NorKor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent Notes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; They&#8217;re starving again in NorKor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to consider:

Will China take food out of its own mouth (creating some unrest in China) to feed a traditional enemy?

A regime like China has to consider public opinion. They may be able to withstand a 30 - 70 split. They can&#039;t deal with a 10 - 90 split.

Even totalitarian regimes have to deal with public opinion.</description>
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<p>Will China take food out of its own mouth (creating some unrest in China) to feed a traditional enemy?</p>
<p>A regime like China has to consider public opinion. They may be able to withstand a 30 &#8211; 70 split. They can&#8217;t deal with a 10 &#8211; 90 split.</p>
<p>Even totalitarian regimes have to deal with public opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Kim Jong Il would start a war - on purpose - but do believe it is a good possibility that he could set things in motion that ends in war.

Pyongyang has shown in the past a willingness to piss off China when the regime felt it need to nudge the world community along.  I can easily picture Kim using the opportunity of the Olympics to stir the pot.  It is like Kim to seek to snatch global attention when the opportunity arises in the region.

Border clashes, ICBM and nuke tests, sea battles, and so on, are all things Pyongyang routinely does at times like the Olympics being in China.

The problem for Kim is that he can&#039;t always depend on the global community caving in after a NK stunt -- even though he has watched us enough to gain confidence in the tactic.

But at some point of regime instability, the usual bag of tricks can spiral out of control.

They could lead to medium to long term cut backs in aid --- which could strangle the regime.

Depending on how close to collapse the regime might be, provocations could push discontent regime loyalists to move against the regime.  The more provocative the regime gets near collapse, the less likely top regime people will get golden parachutes by the US and world community.  

Because, many of those elites know North Korea can&#039;t win a war, but some of them will think like me --- that Kim Jong Il&#039;s personality is such that he&#039;d rather run the risk of falling into a war or inviting nation-killing sanctions and then go down with a fight rather than going in the other direction of temporarily appeasing the US and Japan and others.

Part of my thinking on this is also that the North Korean people could become bolder in the situations mentioned above.  I would bet that one reason revolts have not occurred in North Korea is due in large measure to a lack of confidence that some nation will step in to finish off the regime if the people were to act.

But, if Kim Jong Il reaches a certain desperation point, and pulls out his usual bag of tricks, and it fails to gain concessions but does produce tougher sanctions, and things start getting worse, not just the elites might figure that the time is ripe to act and invite deeper outside interference from China and/or the US by means of open rebellion.

I think it is a good bet that the increase of North Korean refugees in Thailand as reported recently is directly tied to the election of Lee and the GNP into the Blue House in South Korea.

In short, I think the closer the regime gets to collapse, the more Kim Jong Il will try provocations to save himself.

But, the closer and more provocative the regime leadership becomes, the more likely it is that it will be like setting off sparks in a hay field which eventually ignite a chain of events that speeds up the regime&#039;s downfall.

And what I am talking about might be something like what happened in Germany in World War II when they tried to assassinate Hitler -- with a key difference being the bulk of the North Korean people likely despise the regime on a much wider scale than in the Hitler case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Kim Jong Il would start a war &#8211; on purpose &#8211; but do believe it is a good possibility that he could set things in motion that ends in war.</p>
<p>Pyongyang has shown in the past a willingness to piss off China when the regime felt it need to nudge the world community along.  I can easily picture Kim using the opportunity of the Olympics to stir the pot.  It is like Kim to seek to snatch global attention when the opportunity arises in the region.</p>
<p>Border clashes, ICBM and nuke tests, sea battles, and so on, are all things Pyongyang routinely does at times like the Olympics being in China.</p>
<p>The problem for Kim is that he can&#8217;t always depend on the global community caving in after a NK stunt &#8212; even though he has watched us enough to gain confidence in the tactic.</p>
<p>But at some point of regime instability, the usual bag of tricks can spiral out of control.</p>
<p>They could lead to medium to long term cut backs in aid &#8212; which could strangle the regime.</p>
<p>Depending on how close to collapse the regime might be, provocations could push discontent regime loyalists to move against the regime.  The more provocative the regime gets near collapse, the less likely top regime people will get golden parachutes by the US and world community.  </p>
<p>Because, many of those elites know North Korea can&#8217;t win a war, but some of them will think like me &#8212; that Kim Jong Il&#8217;s personality is such that he&#8217;d rather run the risk of falling into a war or inviting nation-killing sanctions and then go down with a fight rather than going in the other direction of temporarily appeasing the US and Japan and others.</p>
<p>Part of my thinking on this is also that the North Korean people could become bolder in the situations mentioned above.  I would bet that one reason revolts have not occurred in North Korea is due in large measure to a lack of confidence that some nation will step in to finish off the regime if the people were to act.</p>
<p>But, if Kim Jong Il reaches a certain desperation point, and pulls out his usual bag of tricks, and it fails to gain concessions but does produce tougher sanctions, and things start getting worse, not just the elites might figure that the time is ripe to act and invite deeper outside interference from China and/or the US by means of open rebellion.</p>
<p>I think it is a good bet that the increase of North Korean refugees in Thailand as reported recently is directly tied to the election of Lee and the GNP into the Blue House in South Korea.</p>
<p>In short, I think the closer the regime gets to collapse, the more Kim Jong Il will try provocations to save himself.</p>
<p>But, the closer and more provocative the regime leadership becomes, the more likely it is that it will be like setting off sparks in a hay field which eventually ignite a chain of events that speeds up the regime&#8217;s downfall.</p>
<p>And what I am talking about might be something like what happened in Germany in World War II when they tried to assassinate Hitler &#8212; with a key difference being the bulk of the North Korean people likely despise the regime on a much wider scale than in the Hitler case.</p>
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