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		<title>By: Kalani</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/05/02/pick-up-rok-drop-on-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-57857</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 14:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Way down near the end of this blindingly East-is-red photo collection is a picture of the man getting his glasses knocked off by a swarm of Chinese students.&quot;

Sonagi -- Man identified by Dan Bielefeld as Moon Gook-han with the North Korean refugee group.  He stated that he was either very brave or very crazy -- or something to that effect -- to be chanting slogans while surrounded by Chinese.  Bielefeld took a photo of him.  It shows he wasn&#039;t crazy.  He was playing to the media as there were perhaps five -- or maybe more -- with cameras trained on him directly in front of him.  However, the other photo has the newsmen cropped out -- giving the impression he was surrounded by the Chinese and all alone.  

What happened to him after this event?  Was he hurt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Way down near the end of this blindingly East-is-red photo collection is a picture of the man getting his glasses knocked off by a swarm of Chinese students.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sonagi &#8212; Man identified by Dan Bielefeld as Moon Gook-han with the North Korean refugee group.  He stated that he was either very brave or very crazy &#8212; or something to that effect &#8212; to be chanting slogans while surrounded by Chinese.  Bielefeld took a photo of him.  It shows he wasn&#8217;t crazy.  He was playing to the media as there were perhaps five &#8212; or maybe more &#8212; with cameras trained on him directly in front of him.  However, the other photo has the newsmen cropped out &#8212; giving the impression he was surrounded by the Chinese and all alone.  </p>
<p>What happened to him after this event?  Was he hurt?</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 12:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a link got my comment caught in the spam trap.</description>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/05/02/pick-up-rok-drop-on-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-57855</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 12:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you checked out the weekly links at GI Korea?  New Red Guards in Auckland, New Zealand, didn&#039;t even need a torch relay to run riot.  

http://bunnyhugs.org/2008/05/01/ugly-nationalistic-chinese-demonstration-in-auckland/

Best line from the story:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;The marshal told me not to go back into Aotea Square because it was not safe for â€˜New Zealandersâ€™. I guess he really meant â€˜non-Chinese peopleâ€™.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

What&#039;s unusual about this man&#039;s experience is that some of the unruly participants were middle-aged.  While I was in China, I never saw the Chinese behave like what we&#039;re seeing recently around the world.  Part of it is just mob mentality, but it seems that the collective mood of the world&#039;s Chinese has become stridently defensive in the run-up to the Olympics.   This attitude comes through loud and clear in a number of forums in different languages.  I hear and see the same ideas, the same themes repeated over and over by the Chinese.  The Chinese government isn&#039;t distributing a sheet of talking points, but rather, ideas are planted in the media and in internet forums, and grow into &quot;the truth&quot; through content sharing and personal conversations.  To a certain extent, Chinese feelings of being picked on are valid, but now they are becoming defensive to the point that any foreign criticism of China is China-bashing, and they are becoming aggressive in defending China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you checked out the weekly links at GI Korea?  New Red Guards in Auckland, New Zealand, didn&#8217;t even need a torch relay to run riot.  </p>
<p><a href="http://bunnyhugs.org/2008/05/01/ugly-nationalistic-chinese-demonstration-in-auckland/" rel="nofollow">http://bunnyhugs.org/2008/05/01/ugly-nationalistic-chinese-demonstration-in-auckland/</a></p>
<p>Best line from the story:<br />
<i>&#8220;The marshal told me not to go back into Aotea Square because it was not safe for â€˜New Zealandersâ€™. I guess he really meant â€˜non-Chinese peopleâ€™.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>What&#8217;s unusual about this man&#8217;s experience is that some of the unruly participants were middle-aged.  While I was in China, I never saw the Chinese behave like what we&#8217;re seeing recently around the world.  Part of it is just mob mentality, but it seems that the collective mood of the world&#8217;s Chinese has become stridently defensive in the run-up to the Olympics.   This attitude comes through loud and clear in a number of forums in different languages.  I hear and see the same ideas, the same themes repeated over and over by the Chinese.  The Chinese government isn&#8217;t distributing a sheet of talking points, but rather, ideas are planted in the media and in internet forums, and grow into &#8220;the truth&#8221; through content sharing and personal conversations.  To a certain extent, Chinese feelings of being picked on are valid, but now they are becoming defensive to the point that any foreign criticism of China is China-bashing, and they are becoming aggressive in defending China.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/05/02/pick-up-rok-drop-on-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-57854</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 00:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Itâ€™s time to restrict Chinese immigrants. I donâ€™t want to make the number of disloyal Americans grow.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I could not agree less. I&#039;ve served with loyal Chinese-Americans in the Army, andÂ there are loyalÂ Chinese-American readers and commenters here, andÂ I&#039;m sureÂ their loyalty yields to no one else&#039;s. I don&#039;t object to making new immigrants swear loyalty oaths and renounce foreign alliances. We do that now. I also think it&#039;s reasonable to follow up those oaths with some reasonable investigation of whether the prospective citizen is affiliated with, say, the CCP. But there are traitors of all ethnicities: Jonathan Pollard, Robert Hanson, Aldrich Ames, and Robert Kim to name a few. Absolutely none of this needs to be linked to ethnicity. Chinese are fully capable of being loyal Americans and making extraordinary contributations to our society.

That said, I do think that universities need to tighten the restrictions on the access of some foreign students -- who make no profession of loyalty to this country -- to sensitive and dual-use technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Itâ€™s time to restrict Chinese immigrants. I donâ€™t want to make the number of disloyal Americans grow.</p></blockquote>
<p>I could not agree less. I&#8217;ve served with loyal Chinese-Americans in the Army, andÂ there are loyalÂ Chinese-American readers and commenters here, andÂ I&#8217;m sureÂ their loyalty yields to no one else&#8217;s. I don&#8217;t object to making new immigrants swear loyalty oaths and renounce foreign alliances. We do that now. I also think it&#8217;s reasonable to follow up those oaths with some reasonable investigation of whether the prospective citizen is affiliated with, say, the CCP. But there are traitors of all ethnicities: Jonathan Pollard, Robert Hanson, Aldrich Ames, and Robert Kim to name a few. Absolutely none of this needs to be linked to ethnicity. Chinese are fully capable of being loyal Americans and making extraordinary contributations to our society.</p>
<p>That said, I do think that universities need to tighten the restrictions on the access of some foreign students &#8212; who make no profession of loyalty to this country &#8212; to sensitive and dual-use technology.</p>
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		<title>By: HY</title>
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		<dc:creator>HY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 23:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the worst defenders of CCCP seems to be coming from the overseas Chinese Americans.  I&#039;ve never seen so much nationalism coming from them - Chinese nationalism that is.  They are so anti American, it&#039;s unbelievable.  Many of them blame CNN, American media, and &quot;White People&quot; for China&#039;s problems.  Person to person, they seem to be nice to you in front of your face, but I can imagine what they&#039;re thinking and what kinds of activities they do in their own times to support fatherland China.  It&#039;s time to restrict Chinese immigrants.  I don&#039;t want to make the number of disloyal Americans grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the worst defenders of CCCP seems to be coming from the overseas Chinese Americans.  I&#8217;ve never seen so much nationalism coming from them &#8211; Chinese nationalism that is.  They are so anti American, it&#8217;s unbelievable.  Many of them blame CNN, American media, and &#8220;White People&#8221; for China&#8217;s problems.  Person to person, they seem to be nice to you in front of your face, but I can imagine what they&#8217;re thinking and what kinds of activities they do in their own times to support fatherland China.  It&#8217;s time to restrict Chinese immigrants.  I don&#8217;t want to make the number of disloyal Americans grow.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gravatar, and the easy mainstreaming of its user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gravatar, and the easy mainstreaming of its user.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Millar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rand Millar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saturday Greetings to Joshua Stanton and also to hardy contributor Sonagi. Here is a vote of thanks for your spadework in covering the ruckus occasioned by the peaceable display of our KCC banner calling good Chinese people, and would-be attendees of the 2008 Olympics, to their moral senses.

At some point, (perhaps sooner than later!), for all of their apparent material success, the great Chinese nation will confront the essential illegitimacy of their governance. The toxic political waste that is the legacy of Mao Zedong &amp; Company is surely at its worst abroad in the existence of the Kim family regime in northern Korea. A matter of sequence: will the portrait that still defaces Tiananmen Square disappear, or will the Dear Imbiber in Pyongyang meet his due first?

Thanks also to Prof. Lankov, that he continues to keep his wonderfully well tuned antennae monitoring Korea north of the Imjin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saturday Greetings to Joshua Stanton and also to hardy contributor Sonagi. Here is a vote of thanks for your spadework in covering the ruckus occasioned by the peaceable display of our KCC banner calling good Chinese people, and would-be attendees of the 2008 Olympics, to their moral senses.</p>
<p>At some point, (perhaps sooner than later!), for all of their apparent material success, the great Chinese nation will confront the essential illegitimacy of their governance. The toxic political waste that is the legacy of Mao Zedong &amp; Company is surely at its worst abroad in the existence of the Kim family regime in northern Korea. A matter of sequence: will the portrait that still defaces Tiananmen Square disappear, or will the Dear Imbiber in Pyongyang meet his due first?</p>
<p>Thanks also to Prof. Lankov, that he continues to keep his wonderfully well tuned antennae monitoring Korea north of the Imjin.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad my blog title could inspire something.  I have had people ask me what a ROK Drop is before and I just respond that you obviously haven&#039;t been stationed in 2ID before.  

Sonagi as always great information and links.  A problem I often found with Koreans was a lack of critical thinking skills in regards to what they read in the media and especially the internet and it appears the Chinese are even worse if they believe the nonsense coming from some of these people on the internet like this Hitler fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad my blog title could inspire something.  I have had people ask me what a ROK Drop is before and I just respond that you obviously haven&#8217;t been stationed in 2ID before.  </p>
<p>Sonagi as always great information and links.  A problem I often found with Koreans was a lack of critical thinking skills in regards to what they read in the media and especially the internet and it appears the Chinese are even worse if they believe the nonsense coming from some of these people on the internet like this Hitler fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 16:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My God what?  The gravatar, the swarms, or both?  I should qualify my statement about the photos making the mainstream Chinese media.  Heavily censored newspapers like the People&#039;s Daily have reported on the controversy but not printed the photos.  One notch below, news portal sites like 163.com, are publishing the photos.  Never underestimate the power of the internet.  One Hitler fan&#039;s creative photoshopping has aroused millions of Chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My God what?  The gravatar, the swarms, or both?  I should qualify my statement about the photos making the mainstream Chinese media.  Heavily censored newspapers like the People&#8217;s Daily have reported on the controversy but not printed the photos.  One notch below, news portal sites like 163.com, are publishing the photos.  Never underestimate the power of the internet.  One Hitler fan&#8217;s creative photoshopping has aroused millions of Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshiua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshiua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 16:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My God.</p>
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