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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/06/25/with-friends-like-these-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-58282</link>
		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with GI Korea.  To change the status quo in something as massive as USFK, you have to have a hell of a lot of politically will-power.  Rumsfeld was so surprising on Korea in this area.  But he has by far been the exception.  

I don&#039;t see either an Obama or McCain presidency doing anything significant with USFK.

We&#039;re locked in....and one day - it is going to cost us astronomically in terms of money and blood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with GI Korea.  To change the status quo in something as massive as USFK, you have to have a hell of a lot of politically will-power.  Rumsfeld was so surprising on Korea in this area.  But he has by far been the exception.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see either an Obama or McCain presidency doing anything significant with USFK.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re locked in&#8230;.and one day &#8211; it is going to cost us astronomically in terms of money and blood.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/06/25/with-friends-like-these-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-58278</link>
		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Koreans look at USFK as one big open wallet for them to pillage at will. We are here to give them all of our money. 

Case in point: I pay for internet. I pay more for slow internet on base than I paid for fast internet when I lived off base in Anjungri.  

This is offensive all by itself, but the Koreans took it a step further. They are blocking Vonage, SKYPE, and other US VOIP providers and forcing Soldiers to use their overpriced VOIP service. Not only do I get to pay too much for the internet, but I have to pay them for what I do on it.  I guess they weren&#039;t getting enough out of us.

GEN Bell fought the implementation of this thievery for about a year, but the Koreans persisted until he caved...which is standard Korean practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Koreans look at USFK as one big open wallet for them to pillage at will. We are here to give them all of our money. </p>
<p>Case in point: I pay for internet. I pay more for slow internet on base than I paid for fast internet when I lived off base in Anjungri.  </p>
<p>This is offensive all by itself, but the Koreans took it a step further. They are blocking Vonage, SKYPE, and other US VOIP providers and forcing Soldiers to use their overpriced VOIP service. Not only do I get to pay too much for the internet, but I have to pay them for what I do on it.  I guess they weren&#8217;t getting enough out of us.</p>
<p>GEN Bell fought the implementation of this thievery for about a year, but the Koreans persisted until he caved&#8230;which is standard Korean practice.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/06/25/with-friends-like-these-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-58277</link>
		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USFK definitely wants to have the relocation happen that is for certain however it will take a lot of political backing from politicians to make it happen which it appears no one has the stomach to do right now.  Gates has been a great Secretary of Defense in regards to Iraq/Afghanistan but I have not been all that impressed with him in regards to Korea.  

I have not seen him strongly push the ROKs on cost sharing and the relocation as strongly as Rumsfeld did and has in fact caved into the ROKs by halting troop cuts.  What did the US government get in response for halting troop cuts, mad cow craziness. 

Now the Korean government is even going further and now further reducing their cost sharing burden with this &quot;goods&quot; payment scheme.  I&#039;m willing to bet the ROKs feel that Gates will not call them on it and can get away with it.  I hope I&#039;m wrong and Gates starts making some clear cut statements in regards to Korea policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USFK definitely wants to have the relocation happen that is for certain however it will take a lot of political backing from politicians to make it happen which it appears no one has the stomach to do right now.  Gates has been a great Secretary of Defense in regards to Iraq/Afghanistan but I have not been all that impressed with him in regards to Korea.  </p>
<p>I have not seen him strongly push the ROKs on cost sharing and the relocation as strongly as Rumsfeld did and has in fact caved into the ROKs by halting troop cuts.  What did the US government get in response for halting troop cuts, mad cow craziness. </p>
<p>Now the Korean government is even going further and now further reducing their cost sharing burden with this &#8220;goods&#8221; payment scheme.  I&#8217;m willing to bet the ROKs feel that Gates will not call them on it and can get away with it.  I hope I&#8217;m wrong and Gates starts making some clear cut statements in regards to Korea policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/06/25/with-friends-like-these-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-58274</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep in mind that Defense is a lot more hawkish than State.  State has shifted.  Defense hasn&#039;t.  Lawless, who never missed an opportunity to push the cost-sharing issue, may be gone, but DoD doesn&#039;t appear to have lost its enthusiasm for either cost-sharing or relocation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind that Defense is a lot more hawkish than State.  State has shifted.  Defense hasn&#8217;t.  Lawless, who never missed an opportunity to push the cost-sharing issue, may be gone, but DoD doesn&#8217;t appear to have lost its enthusiasm for either cost-sharing or relocation.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2008/06/25/with-friends-like-these-pt-2/comment-page-1/#comment-58273</link>
		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cost sharing and relocation issue I think could be the final straw that breaks the camel&#039;s back in regards to keeping USFK in Korea. If a so called conservative like 2MB can&#039;t make the relocation happen then it is never going to happen unless the US government does a Rumsfeld and announces the withdrawal of the 2ID.  

If just don&#039;t know of anyone in Washington with the political will to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cost sharing and relocation issue I think could be the final straw that breaks the camel&#8217;s back in regards to keeping USFK in Korea. If a so called conservative like 2MB can&#8217;t make the relocation happen then it is never going to happen unless the US government does a Rumsfeld and announces the withdrawal of the 2ID.  </p>
<p>If just don&#8217;t know of anyone in Washington with the political will to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tukhachevsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tukhachevsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Won Joon Choe:  Thank you very much for cutting and pasting this article in the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Won Joon Choe:  Thank you very much for cutting and pasting this article in the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, your comment was in my spam trap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, your comment was in my spam trap.</p>
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		<title>By: Won Joon Choe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Won Joon Choe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main cultural culprit for South Korea&#039;s political immaturity--along with the absence of a rule of law tradition that I&#039;ve talked about before in your comment section--is that South Korean political culture has always been extremist or zero-sum. 

So people tend to see very trivial issue as life-and-death, and I am sure that this is reflected in how South Korean representatives act in trade negotiations as well. 

In fact, I think I recall reading that Park Chung-hee once went mano a mano with Spiro Agnew in Seoul during a heated U.S. troop reduction talks, where he refused anyone from living the negotiating table for something like five hours! (Of course, the punchline is that the South Korean representatives, including Park, had a tube connected from their, eh, urinary tracts to a discreetly placed urine-collecting jars of sort underneath the table.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main cultural culprit for South Korea&#8217;s political immaturity&#8211;along with the absence of a rule of law tradition that I&#8217;ve talked about before in your comment section&#8211;is that South Korean political culture has always been extremist or zero-sum. </p>
<p>So people tend to see very trivial issue as life-and-death, and I am sure that this is reflected in how South Korean representatives act in trade negotiations as well. </p>
<p>In fact, I think I recall reading that Park Chung-hee once went mano a mano with Spiro Agnew in Seoul during a heated U.S. troop reduction talks, where he refused anyone from living the negotiating table for something like five hours! (Of course, the punchline is that the South Korean representatives, including Park, had a tube connected from their, eh, urinary tracts to a discreetly placed urine-collecting jars of sort underneath the table.)</p>
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		<title>By: Won Joon Choe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Won Joon Choe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua,

I think there might be severe delays when comments are too long. As you can see, the comment did eventually appear--but almost an hour after I posted it.

It is also an old Korea Herald op-ed (and they delete articles after a short period), so I had to post the entire op-ed, rather than the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua,</p>
<p>I think there might be severe delays when comments are too long. As you can see, the comment did eventually appear&#8211;but almost an hour after I posted it.</p>
<p>It is also an old Korea Herald op-ed (and they delete articles after a short period), so I had to post the entire op-ed, rather than the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There might be, but I haven&#039;t figured out how to control it.  Why not e-mail me the link, or paste the link into a comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There might be, but I haven&#8217;t figured out how to control it.  Why not e-mail me the link, or paste the link into a comment?</p>
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