Comments on: Get Ready for Kim Jong Il’s Incomplete, Incorrect, and Expensive Nuclear Declaration (Updated and Bumped) http://freekorea.us/2008/06/26/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/ Wed, 23 May 2012 01:51:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: OneFreeKorea » North Korea’s Next Tantrum http://freekorea.us/2008/06/26/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-58486 OneFreeKorea » North Korea’s Next Tantrum Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:42:28 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2008/06/24/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/#comment-58486 [...] For reasons that aren’t completely clear to me, Bush has paused, for now, the granting of unconditional concessions, most significantly on de-listing North Korea as a state sponsor of terrorism.  Maybe he’s finally come to his senses, but my best guess is that he’s run out of political capital.  The key causes of that political bankruptcy were (a) the delayed revelations about the al-Kibar reactor and North Korea’s role in it, (b) the “Singapore Surrender” in which Hill and Rice agreed not to press for answers on uranium, proliferation, or actual nuclear weapons, and (c) what seemed very much like the imminent removal of North Korea from the list of state sponsors of terrorism and the lifting of other key sanctions, as early as yesterday.  Now the administration says that’s not going to happen … yet:     “Our requirement for moving forward on delisting is a rigorous verification regime and a verification protocol, and until we get there I think we’ve been clear that delisting can’t go forward,” said White House spokesman Tony Fratto. [AFP] “At this point it is reasonable to say that [August 11th] probably will come and go without that happening,'’ Dennis Wilder, the National Security Council director for Asia, told reporters in Beijing today. “We are in discussions with the North. We continue to try to work with them on this question of a robust verification regime.'’  [….] [...] [...] For reasons that aren’t completely clear to me, Bush has paused, for now, the granting of unconditional concessions, most significantly on de-listing North Korea as a state sponsor of terrorism.  Maybe he’s finally come to his senses, but my best guess is that he’s run out of political capital.  The key causes of that political bankruptcy were (a) the delayed revelations about the al-Kibar reactor and North Korea’s role in it, (b) the “Singapore Surrender” in which Hill and Rice agreed not to press for answers on uranium, proliferation, or actual nuclear weapons, and (c) what seemed very much like the imminent removal of North Korea from the list of state sponsors of terrorism and the lifting of other key sanctions, as early as yesterday.  Now the administration says that’s not going to happen … yet:     “Our requirement for moving forward on delisting is a rigorous verification regime and a verification protocol, and until we get there I think we’ve been clear that delisting can’t go forward,” said White House spokesman Tony Fratto. [AFP] “At this point it is reasonable to say that [August 11th] probably will come and go without that happening,’’ Dennis Wilder, the National Security Council director for Asia, told reporters in Beijing today. “We are in discussions with the North. We continue to try to work with them on this question of a robust verification regime.’’  [….] [...]

]]> By: OneFreeKorea » Absolute Must Read: Chris Hill Explodes at Reporter Over Leaked Plan to Accept Incomplete, Incorrect N. Korean Declaration http://freekorea.us/2008/06/26/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-58335 OneFreeKorea » Absolute Must Read: Chris Hill Explodes at Reporter Over Leaked Plan to Accept Incomplete, Incorrect N. Korean Declaration Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:57:56 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2008/06/24/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/#comment-58335 [...] James Rosen of Fox News has written the single most detailed and best-written criticism of Chris Hill’s Disagreed Framework I have yet read, and that certainly includes anything I’ve written.  Rosen’s detailed narration of Hill’s many public reassurances that he would accept nothing less than a “complete and correct” North Korean declaration is devastating.  I had wished for the time to write something like it myself, and that is now done for me.  [...] [...] James Rosen of Fox News has written the single most detailed and best-written criticism of Chris Hill’s Disagreed Framework I have yet read, and that certainly includes anything I’ve written.  Rosen’s detailed narration of Hill’s many public reassurances that he would accept nothing less than a “complete and correct” North Korean declaration is devastating.  I had wished for the time to write something like it myself, and that is now done for me.  [...]

]]> By: OneFreeKorea » George W. Bush: A Uniter at Last! http://freekorea.us/2008/06/26/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-58289 OneFreeKorea » George W. Bush: A Uniter at Last! Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:33:52 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2008/06/24/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/#comment-58289 [...] For all the failings of his accord with Kim Jong Il, Bush has made remarkable progress in unwittingly brokering an accord between a liberal Democratic presidential nominee, the House’s most conservative Republicans, and the Republican presidential nominee.  To various degrees, all have noted the inadequacy of Kim’s declaration and declared their opposition to de-listing North Korea as a state sponsor of terror unless it permits verfication.  (Which it won’t, of course): This is a step forward, and there will be many more steps to take in the days ahead. Critical questions remain unanswered. We still have not verified the accuracy of the North Korean declaration. We must confirm the full extent of North Korea’s past plutonium production. We must also confirm its uranium enrichment activities, and get answers to disturbing questions about its proliferation activities with other countries, including Syria. [...] [...] For all the failings of his accord with Kim Jong Il, Bush has made remarkable progress in unwittingly brokering an accord between a liberal Democratic presidential nominee, the House’s most conservative Republicans, and the Republican presidential nominee.  To various degrees, all have noted the inadequacy of Kim’s declaration and declared their opposition to de-listing North Korea as a state sponsor of terror unless it permits verfication.  (Which it won’t, of course): This is a step forward, and there will be many more steps to take in the days ahead. Critical questions remain unanswered. We still have not verified the accuracy of the North Korean declaration. We must confirm the full extent of North Korea’s past plutonium production. We must also confirm its uranium enrichment activities, and get answers to disturbing questions about its proliferation activities with other countries, including Syria. [...]

]]> By: GI Korea http://freekorea.us/2008/06/26/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-58287 GI Korea Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:55:58 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2008/06/24/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/#comment-58287 It is sad days when Jimmy Carter can cut a better deal with the North Koreans then the Bush Administration. It is sad days when Jimmy Carter can cut a better deal with the North Koreans then the Bush Administration.

]]> By: knapp http://freekorea.us/2008/06/26/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-58286 knapp Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:08:39 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2008/06/24/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/#comment-58286 To paraphrase rapper Kanye West: "George Bush doesn't care about One Free Korea". Today's action was a cynical attempt by Bush to acquire some "diplomatic" street cred as he prepares to bomb the hell out of the only remaining member of the Axis of Evil: Iran. It's no coincidence that the House votes next week on the Iran War Resolution Bill (Resolution 362). To paraphrase rapper Kanye West: “George Bush doesn’t care about One Free Korea”. Today’s action was a cynical attempt by Bush to acquire some “diplomatic” street cred as he prepares to bomb the hell out of the only remaining member of the Axis of Evil: Iran. It’s no coincidence that the House votes next week on the Iran War Resolution Bill (Resolution 362).

]]> By: President Bush Removes North Korea from State Sponsors of Terrorism List http://freekorea.us/2008/06/26/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-58285 President Bush Removes North Korea from State Sponsors of Terrorism List Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:41:23 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2008/06/24/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/#comment-58285 [...] If dropping North Korea from the State Sponsors of Terrorism List according to President Bush is “largely symbolic” then so is North Korea’s nuclear declaration that is months late and totally incomplete because here is what is not in the declaration: The number of bombs in storage, or information about what’s going to happen to them. The North proved it could build a working nuclear bomb when it carried out an underground nuclear test blast in October 2006. Details on the bombs, however, will be left to the next stage of the talks, when Pyongyang is supposed to abandon all its nuclear weapons program. [...] [...] If dropping North Korea from the State Sponsors of Terrorism List according to President Bush is “largely symbolic” then so is North Korea’s nuclear declaration that is months late and totally incomplete because here is what is not in the declaration: The number of bombs in storage, or information about what’s going to happen to them. The North proved it could build a working nuclear bomb when it carried out an underground nuclear test blast in October 2006. Details on the bombs, however, will be left to the next stage of the talks, when Pyongyang is supposed to abandon all its nuclear weapons program. [...]

]]> By: usinkorea http://freekorea.us/2008/06/26/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-58284 usinkorea Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:40:16 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2008/06/24/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/#comment-58284 What is even more depressing is that ---- the same people can't give credit for advancements in Iraq. I don't mean to play the Iraq card here - as if it is petty politics. I think it does mean something: that they can find a way to give kudos to a president they hate (Bush) over the new North Korea policy, but they can't give credit for gains in Iraq... Somewhere in here is also the talk of possibly military action in Burma and that African country whose name I can't come close to spelling at the moment... You give Bush Hans-Blix points for helping North Korea survive for little to no reform --- ignoring the Syria connection and other things ---- because you are being Hans-Blix-like. But military progress, and political gains in Iraq backed by military strength --- can at best be ignored - if you can no longer deny it. The world is often pathetic... What is even more depressing is that —- the same people can’t give credit for advancements in Iraq.

I don’t mean to play the Iraq card here – as if it is petty politics.

I think it does mean something: that they can find a way to give kudos to a president they hate (Bush) over the new North Korea policy, but they can’t give credit for gains in Iraq…

Somewhere in here is also the talk of possibly military action in Burma and that African country whose name I can’t come close to spelling at the moment…

You give Bush Hans-Blix points for helping North Korea survive for little to no reform — ignoring the Syria connection and other things —- because you are being Hans-Blix-like.

But military progress, and political gains in Iraq backed by military strength — can at best be ignored – if you can no longer deny it.

The world is often pathetic…

]]> By: Jack http://freekorea.us/2008/06/26/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-58283 Jack Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:14:25 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2008/06/24/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/#comment-58283 I am not at all impressed with the developments. All over some other message boards, pundits seem to be praising the event without one iota of clue if what the hell is really going on. "Hurray! Bush did it!!!11elevety" What a disaster. I am not at all impressed with the developments. All over some other message boards, pundits seem to be praising the event without one iota of clue if what the hell is really going on.

“Hurray! Bush did it!!!11elevety”

What a disaster.

]]> By: usinkorea http://freekorea.us/2008/06/26/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-58281 usinkorea Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:00:25 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2008/06/24/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/#comment-58281 President Bush's new policy is far worse than President Clinton's if only due to the amount of time and information we've collected since then. President Clinton was handling things early in the post-Cold War period. North Korea was not visibly as weak as we know it to be today. The US hand is stronger. And Bush's crew want to pretend we are weaker... I still say it must be because they are trying to avoid having to deal with North Korea collapsing... President Bush’s new policy is far worse than President Clinton’s if only due to the amount of time and information we’ve collected since then.

President Clinton was handling things early in the post-Cold War period. North Korea was not visibly as weak as we know it to be today. The US hand is stronger. And Bush’s crew want to pretend we are weaker…

I still say it must be because they are trying to avoid having to deal with North Korea collapsing…

]]> By: North Korean Economy Watch » Blog Archive » Nuclear declaration day http://freekorea.us/2008/06/26/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-58280 North Korean Economy Watch » Blog Archive » Nuclear declaration day Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:28:50 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2008/06/24/get-ready-for-kim-jong-ils-incomplete-incorrect-and-expensive-nuclear-declaration/#comment-58280 [...] To read a hawk perspective, see Josh’s post at One Free Korea. [...] [...] To read a hawk perspective, see Josh’s post at One Free Korea. [...]

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