Comments on: Christian Group Threatened Over Faxes to North Korea http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/ Wed, 23 May 2012 10:34:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: North Korea lover http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/comment-page-1/#comment-68099 North Korea lover Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:15:24 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/#comment-68099 Similar (or more damaging) results could be achieved by SMS to <a href="http://freekorea.us/2009/06/30/orascom-watch" rel="nofollow">North Korea's proliferating mobile phones</a>. Now, how do we get the numbers? Similar (or more damaging) results could be achieved by SMS to North Korea’s proliferating mobile phones. Now, how do we get the numbers?

]]> By: a listener http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/comment-page-1/#comment-67831 a listener Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:18:02 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/#comment-67831 Miriam I feel soo bad for trying to get on the nerves of a tyrannical murderous regime. Oh please forgive me. Miriam I feel soo bad for trying to get on the nerves of a tyrannical murderous regime. Oh please forgive me.

]]> By: Spelunker http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/comment-page-1/#comment-67823 Spelunker Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:59:24 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/#comment-67823 Excuse me Miriam, but could you tell me which nationality spews prejudice and hatred to North Koreans? Is it the Chinese (People's Republic of China), who place bounties on the heads of North Korean refugees in Jilin province? Or maybe you had in mind the Japanese, who have been discriminating against and oppressing North Koreans in Japan much longer than the Chinese have in China? Or could it possibly be the Americans, who are still willing to supply food to starving North Koreans if the Pyongyang government would only allow us to verify that it gets inside their hungry mouths! I sincerely hope Kim Jong-il gently dies tomorrow and South Korea takes over with a good old fashioned German style regime change. "Auf wiedersehen!" Excuse me Miriam, but could you tell me which nationality spews prejudice and hatred to North Koreans?
Is it the Chinese (People’s Republic of China), who place bounties on the heads of North Korean refugees in Jilin province?
Or maybe you had in mind the Japanese, who have been discriminating against and oppressing North Koreans in Japan much longer than the Chinese have in China?
Or could it possibly be the Americans, who are still willing to supply food to starving North Koreans if the Pyongyang government would only allow us to verify that it gets inside their hungry mouths!

I sincerely hope Kim Jong-il gently dies tomorrow and South Korea takes over with a good old fashioned German style regime change. “Auf wiedersehen!”

]]> By: Dan Ó C http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/comment-page-1/#comment-67820 Dan Ó C Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:31:38 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/#comment-67820 This is a fascinating post, Mr. Stanton. This is a fascinating post, Mr. Stanton.

]]> By: james http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/comment-page-1/#comment-67819 james Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:30:16 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/#comment-67819 Miriam, "Have you guys actually been to North Korea?" How about you? If you have, you were certainly followed closely by minders, and you certainly weren't allowed outside of Pyongyang unless you were part of some NGO/approved aid, or if you took a train into NK. "A lot of people have electronic gadgets even cheapo mp3 players and desktop computers. " You are talking about the Pyongyangites. That is 10% of the population. What about the rest of the 90%? I in fact analogize Pyongyang with Bel-Air, California. It's a different population and mindset from the rest of the country. "It’s not THAT bad to live under communism." Probably not. I mean....you get the internet there, or at least 85% of it. At least your brand of 'communism', your country could feed you. NK is more of a dictatorship. Thanks for your opinion. Miriam,

“Have you guys actually been to North Korea?”

How about you? If you have, you were certainly followed closely by minders, and you certainly weren’t allowed outside of Pyongyang unless you were part of some NGO/approved aid, or if you took a train into NK.

“A lot of people have electronic gadgets even cheapo mp3 players and desktop computers. ”

You are talking about the Pyongyangites. That is 10% of the population. What about the rest of the 90%? I in fact analogize Pyongyang with Bel-Air, California. It’s a different population and mindset from the rest of the country.

“It’s not THAT bad to live under communism.”

Probably not. I mean….you get the internet there, or at least 85% of it. At least your brand of ‘communism’, your country could feed you. NK is more of a dictatorship.

Thanks for your opinion.

]]> By: Joshua Stanton http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/comment-page-1/#comment-67818 Joshua Stanton Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:13:34 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/#comment-67818 Actually Miriam, My two brief visits to North Korea were limited to one building at the DMZ because I was wearing a U.S. Army uniform at the time. You, on the other hand, saw North Koreans running around with playthings of the elite like MP3 players, objects that are utterly unknown to the average North Korean in Kaechong, Chongjin, or Hamhung. It causes me to wonder just what you were doing in North Korea and what you paid for the privilege. By financing a regime that oppresses its people so ruthlessly, you must sleep soundly knowing how you've contributed to sustaining that oppression, and hence the misery of its people. <blockquote>It’s not THAT bad to live under communism. I have done it and it has some good as well as bad sides.</blockquote> I crossed Eastern Europe a few months after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Those countries arguably had the best standards of living Communism has ever offered is subjects. In Czechoslovakia, the grocery shelves where 2/3 empty, color film wasn't to be found in the largest department store in Prague, and the restaurants ran out of food at dinner time. Yet millions of people went to the streets and risked their lives to overthrow that system, and I doubt that you could name one place, Russia included, that would ever go back to Communism after having experienced it. That said, I think it's debatable whether North Korea is functionally Communist at all, and the worst shortages and abuses of Eastern Europe were a far cry from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://freekorea.us/2009/01/21/hamhung/" rel="nofollow">this</a> or <a rel="nofollow" href="http://freekorea.us/camps/22" rel="nofollow">this</a>. When you've been to these places and spoken to the people who've experienced <em>those</em> aspects of life in North Korea, by all means stop by and lecture us all about how much more you know about life in North Korea and the dignity it confers on its people than the rest of us do. Please ramble to the full extent of your liking about how much the people prefer its standard of living over wherever you're accessing the internet from. You're free to vote for whatever form of government you want in your own country. What's so essential to you about denying North Koreans the same right? <blockquote>If you really cared about North Korea you’d stop the childish pranks and help out the refugees in China .... Or help the North Korean system to open up by working with businesses there and exposing people gently to other ideas.</blockquote> What do you suppose Kim Dae Jung, Roh Moo Hyun, Bill Clinton, and even George W. Bush have spent the last decade doing? And how is that working out? Where is the reform? Where is the end of tension? Where is that warm wind of humanity and prosperity that breathes so freely on the North Korean people? Where are the glasnost and perestroika that billions of American and South Korean dollars should have bought by now? On the other hand, I like this particular childish prank because it's fun, and also because it plays on the regime's paranoia about subversive speech and could cause it to shut down connections that help it finance itself. Feeding the beast isn't going to make North Korea more humane for its people. Starving the regime until it either (a) collapses or (b) is forced to tolerate real transparency will. Actually Miriam, My two brief visits to North Korea were limited to one building at the DMZ because I was wearing a U.S. Army uniform at the time. You, on the other hand, saw North Koreans running around with playthings of the elite like MP3 players, objects that are utterly unknown to the average North Korean in Kaechong, Chongjin, or Hamhung. It causes me to wonder just what you were doing in North Korea and what you paid for the privilege. By financing a regime that oppresses its people so ruthlessly, you must sleep soundly knowing how you’ve contributed to sustaining that oppression, and hence the misery of its people.

It’s not THAT bad to live under communism. I have done it and it has some good as well as bad sides.

I crossed Eastern Europe a few months after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Those countries arguably had the best standards of living Communism has ever offered is subjects. In Czechoslovakia, the grocery shelves where 2/3 empty, color film wasn’t to be found in the largest department store in Prague, and the restaurants ran out of food at dinner time. Yet millions of people went to the streets and risked their lives to overthrow that system, and I doubt that you could name one place, Russia included, that would ever go back to Communism after having experienced it.

That said, I think it’s debatable whether North Korea is functionally Communist at all, and the worst shortages and abuses of Eastern Europe were a far cry from this or this. When you’ve been to these places and spoken to the people who’ve experienced those aspects of life in North Korea, by all means stop by and lecture us all about how much more you know about life in North Korea and the dignity it confers on its people than the rest of us do. Please ramble to the full extent of your liking about how much the people prefer its standard of living over wherever you’re accessing the internet from. You’re free to vote for whatever form of government you want in your own country. What’s so essential to you about denying North Koreans the same right?

If you really cared about North Korea you’d stop the childish pranks and help out the refugees in China …. Or help the North Korean system to open up by working with businesses there and exposing people gently to other ideas.

What do you suppose Kim Dae Jung, Roh Moo Hyun, Bill Clinton, and even George W. Bush have spent the last decade doing? And how is that working out? Where is the reform? Where is the end of tension? Where is that warm wind of humanity and prosperity that breathes so freely on the North Korean people? Where are the glasnost and perestroika that billions of American and South Korean dollars should have bought by now?

On the other hand, I like this particular childish prank because it’s fun, and also because it plays on the regime’s paranoia about subversive speech and could cause it to shut down connections that help it finance itself. Feeding the beast isn’t going to make North Korea more humane for its people. Starving the regime until it either (a) collapses or (b) is forced to tolerate real transparency will.

]]> By: Sonagi http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/comment-page-1/#comment-67816 Sonagi Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:40:04 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/#comment-67816 <i>"They know about things like themeparks (they have some modest but adequate ones). "</i> The ghostly silent ferris wheel in Shinuiju makes a great photo op for border gawkers in Dandong. “They know about things like themeparks (they have some modest but adequate ones). “

The ghostly silent ferris wheel in Shinuiju makes a great photo op for border gawkers in Dandong.

]]> By: Miriam http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/comment-page-1/#comment-67814 Miriam Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:24:04 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/#comment-67814 Have you guys actually been to North Korea? Probably not, based on your nationality. You are just spewing out prejudice and hatred. You don't seem to be aware of how up to speed North Koreans are on the outside world. They know about things like themeparks (they have some modest but adequate ones). A lot of people have electronic gadgets even cheapo mp3 players and desktop computers. If you really cared about North Korea you'd stop the childish pranks and help out the refugees in China (evangelise to them, if that's what you feel called to do). Or help the North Korean system to open up by working with businesses there and exposing people gently to other ideas. It wouldn't do anyone any good if that regime fell over tomorrow, which seems to be what you prefer. The people would be even worse off for years to come and it would be totally undignified for them. The experience of Russia was ghastly and practically nobody there would do it the same way again. Gently, gently is much better. But they are hardly going to open up if all they get is hostility and even schoolyard style bullying with silly faxes. It's not THAT bad to live under communism. I have done it and it has some good as well as bad sides. Have you guys actually been to North Korea? Probably not, based on your nationality.
You are just spewing out prejudice and hatred.

You don’t seem to be aware of how up to speed North Koreans are on the outside world.
They know about things like themeparks (they have some modest but adequate ones). A lot of people have electronic gadgets even cheapo mp3 players and desktop computers.

If you really cared about North Korea you’d stop the childish pranks and help out the refugees in China (evangelise to them, if that’s what you feel called to do). Or help the North Korean system to open up by working with businesses there and exposing people gently to other ideas.

It wouldn’t do anyone any good if that regime fell over tomorrow, which seems to be what you prefer.

The people would be even worse off for years to come and it would be totally undignified for them. The experience of Russia was ghastly and practically nobody there would do it the same way again. Gently, gently is much better. But they are hardly going to open up if all they get is hostility and even schoolyard style bullying with silly faxes.

It’s not THAT bad to live under communism. I have done it and it has some good as well as bad sides.

]]> By: Spelunker http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/comment-page-1/#comment-67811 Spelunker Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:26:19 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/#comment-67811 The Chinese word for fax is "传真" You can add the country code for North Korea (850) and Google plenty of legitimate fax numbers from Chinese websites: 850-2-381-5274 朝鲜革新贸易会社 North Korea New Revolution Trading Company 850-2-381-4569 朝鲜矿业贸易会社 North Korea Mining Industry Association 850-2-381-4634 朝鲜镁砂工业总会社 North Korea Magnesium Industry Association 850-2-381-4494 朝鲜光明贸易总会社 North Korea Bright Promise Trading Company 850-2-381-4506 朝鲜银河贸易总会社 North Korea Silver River Trading Company 850-2-381-3451 朝鲜黄金山贸易会社 North Korea Gold Mountain Trading Company 850-2-381-8088 朝鲜民艺联合会社 North Korea United Handicrafts Association 850-2-381-4546 朝鲜万年保健总会社 North Korea 10000 Year Health Products Company 850-2-381-4416 朝鲜先锋贸易总会社 North Korea Vanguard Trading Company 850-2-381-4444 朝鲜烽火贸易总会社 North Korea Beacon Trading Company 850－2－381-2210 朝鲜长寿贸易公司 North Korea Long Life Trading Company 850-2-381-4598　 朝鲜电脑中心　North Korea Computer Center 850-2-381-4428 平壤普通江饭店 Pyongyang Putong River Hotel 850-2-381-4422 平壤高丽饭店 Pyongyang Tall Pretty Hotel 850－2－381－4497 朝鲜合营银行 North Korea Jointly Operated Bank 850-2-381－5827　朝鲜国际展览社　North Korea International Exhibition Company 850-2-381-2626 朝鲜鸭绿江贸易会社 North Korea Yalu River Trading Company (Sinuiju) 850-2-381-4410 新义州制鞋厂 Sinuiju Shoe Factory 850-2-381-4626 　North Korea Stamp Corporation The Chinese word for fax is “传真” You can add the country code for North Korea (850) and Google plenty of legitimate fax numbers from Chinese websites:

850-2-381-5274 朝鲜革新贸易会社 North Korea New Revolution Trading Company

850-2-381-4569 朝鲜矿业贸易会社 North Korea Mining Industry Association

850-2-381-4634 朝鲜镁砂工业总会社 North Korea Magnesium Industry Association

850-2-381-4494 朝鲜光明贸易总会社 North Korea Bright Promise Trading Company

850-2-381-4506 朝鲜银河贸易总会社 North Korea Silver River Trading Company

850-2-381-3451 朝鲜黄金山贸易会社 North Korea Gold Mountain Trading Company

850-2-381-8088 朝鲜民艺联合会社 North Korea United Handicrafts Association

850-2-381-4546 朝鲜万年保健总会社 North Korea 10000 Year Health Products Company

850-2-381-4416 朝鲜先锋贸易总会社 North Korea Vanguard Trading Company

850-2-381-4444 朝鲜烽火贸易总会社 North Korea Beacon Trading Company

850－2－381-2210 朝鲜长寿贸易公司 North Korea Long Life Trading Company

850-2-381-4598　 朝鲜电脑中心　North Korea Computer Center

850-2-381-4428 平壤普通江饭店 Pyongyang Putong River Hotel

850-2-381-4422 平壤高丽饭店 Pyongyang Tall Pretty Hotel

850－2－381－4497 朝鲜合营银行 North Korea Jointly Operated Bank

850-2-381－5827　朝鲜国际展览社　North Korea International Exhibition Company

850-2-381-2626 朝鲜鸭绿江贸易会社 North Korea Yalu River Trading Company (Sinuiju)

850-2-381-4410 新义州制鞋厂 Sinuiju Shoe Factory

850-2-381-4626 　North Korea Stamp Corporation

]]> By: baekgom84 http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/comment-page-1/#comment-67808 baekgom84 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:47:05 +0000 http://freekorea.us/2009/07/05/christian-group-threatened-over-spam-faxes-to-north-korea/#comment-67808 Is there any danger that innocent people receiving these kinds of messages might be punished?? Is there any danger that innocent people receiving these kinds of messages might be punished??

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