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]]> By: DC http://freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/comment-page-1/#comment-68846 DC Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:58:03 +0000 http://www.freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/#comment-68846 I don't trust the Chinese and the Russians to not get involved if/when North Korea falls. I am they would like North Korea to remain understand communist control, China being communist and communism hasn't really died in Russia. One thing is for sure, we can't allow China or Russia to take control or be an influence on North Korea. A unfied free Korea is the only outcome that is acceptable, no matter what the Chinese, the Russians or the UN think. I don’t trust the Chinese and the Russians to not get involved if/when North Korea falls. I am they would like North Korea to remain understand communist control, China being communist and communism hasn’t really died in Russia. One thing is for sure, we can’t allow China or Russia to take control or be an influence on North Korea. A unfied free Korea is the only outcome that is acceptable, no matter what the Chinese, the Russians or the UN think.

]]> By: KCJ http://freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/comment-page-1/#comment-68839 KCJ Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:18:13 +0000 http://www.freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/#comment-68839 It all depends on rapidly the state fails, how assertive the factions are in claiming power and over what, and the role of the nK citizens who like Iraqis, have zero experience in self-government. If it becomes a footrace between the PRC and the UNC to see who's preparations have postured them better to occupy a failed DPRK, I would imagine the PRC would win. I do not think the three-partition solution is realistic, although a scenario where nK becomes a pseudo vassal state to China as neither a reunified Korea nor a real Chinese territory may be palatable to both the UN and the PRC, damn what the Chosunese want. One X-factor is the mature but clandestine network of underground Churches uniting Korean and Chinese Christians from the ROK, the DPRK and the PRC. They will form the pipeline of very influential NGO activities uniting all three states when Pyongyang falls. Only a fool would underestimate the zeal of the Korean churches. The house churches in the PRC are no slouches, either, and if the Vatican gets involved, there may be more international pressure put on the PRC than it was prepared for. It all depends on rapidly the state fails, how assertive the factions are in claiming power and over what, and the role of the nK citizens who like Iraqis, have zero experience in self-government.

If it becomes a footrace between the PRC and the UNC to see who’s preparations have postured them better to occupy a failed DPRK, I would imagine the PRC would win. I do not think the three-partition solution is realistic, although a scenario where nK becomes a pseudo vassal state to China as neither a reunified Korea nor a real Chinese territory may be palatable to both the UN and the PRC, damn what the Chosunese want.

One X-factor is the mature but clandestine network of underground Churches uniting Korean and Chinese Christians from the ROK, the DPRK and the PRC. They will form the pipeline of very influential NGO activities uniting all three states when Pyongyang falls. Only a fool would underestimate the zeal of the Korean churches. The house churches in the PRC are no slouches, either, and if the Vatican gets involved, there may be more international pressure put on the PRC than it was prepared for.

]]> By: Sonagi http://freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/comment-page-1/#comment-68837 Sonagi Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:33:13 +0000 http://www.freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/#comment-68837 Emperor Sunjong = The Artist Formerly Known as Prince Emperor Sunjong = The Artist Formerly Known as Prince

]]> By: kushibo http://freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/comment-page-1/#comment-68836 kushibo Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:50:36 +0000 http://www.freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/#comment-68836 Sonagi, any particular reason you referred to him as King Sunjong instead of Emperor Sunjong? Sonagi, any particular reason you referred to him as King Sunjong instead of Emperor Sunjong?

]]> By: Joshua Stanton http://freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/comment-page-1/#comment-68834 Joshua Stanton Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:46:41 +0000 http://www.freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/#comment-68834 In this context, I'll agree that your comparison, unlike most of those drawn today, is a valid one. I suppose it's a comparison I tend to avoid only because overuse has rendered it unoriginal and bleached away its real meaning. In the same sense that unintelligent Americans are fond of comparing presidents they didn't vote for to Hitler, a certain group of Koreans is fond of comparing every foreign interaction, treaty, and interracial date to the Eulsa Treaty (unless it's a Korean guy and a foreign woman, in which case a completely different set of generalizations applies). There ought to be a Korean equivalent to Godwin's Law for this. But then again, a corollary to Godwin's Law is that you're still permitted to compare actual Hiter-like behavior to Hitler (I should know; I do it fairly regularly and am prepared to defend it). In this context, I’ll agree that your comparison, unlike most of those drawn today, is a valid one. I suppose it’s a comparison I tend to avoid only because overuse has rendered it unoriginal and bleached away its real meaning. In the same sense that unintelligent Americans are fond of comparing presidents they didn’t vote for to Hitler, a certain group of Koreans is fond of comparing every foreign interaction, treaty, and interracial date to the Eulsa Treaty (unless it’s a Korean guy and a foreign woman, in which case a completely different set of generalizations applies). There ought to be a Korean equivalent to Godwin’s Law for this.

But then again, a corollary to Godwin’s Law is that you’re still permitted to compare actual Hiter-like behavior to Hitler (I should know; I do it fairly regularly and am prepared to defend it).

]]> By: Sonagi http://freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/comment-page-1/#comment-68833 Sonagi Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:57:50 +0000 http://www.freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/#comment-68833 <em>Green correctly notes that when the regime fragments, the various factions are likely to invite in foreign powers to assist them</em> The historical connection I made was not way back to the Three Kingdoms era but to the end of the Yi Dynasty. Kim Jong-eun = King Sunjong Green correctly notes that when the regime fragments, the various factions are likely to invite in foreign powers to assist them

The historical connection I made was not way back to the Three Kingdoms era but to the end of the Yi Dynasty. Kim Jong-eun = King Sunjong

]]> By: kushibo http://freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/comment-page-1/#comment-68828 kushibo Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:04:00 +0000 http://www.freekorea.us/2009/08/27/preventing-another-three-kingdoms-era/#comment-68828 Joshua wrote:<blockquote>What’s given too little attention in all of the analysis of this issue, including Green’s, is the influence of the North Korean people in a post-Kim North Korea.</blockquote>You took the words right out of my mouth. Yours was a very interesting analysis of their very interesting analysis. But indeed, one way that I think their analysis falls short is that it looks at the Chosonese as passive observers. The North Koreans in particular would not take kindly to non-Korean influence in government and would have particular disdain for foreign military presence. The Chinese-backed state and Russian Zone would quickly become targets, not just of political animosity but possibly of terror-type activities, particularly if there were, to the south (but within DPRK territory) a government that seemed "more Korean." Joshua wrote:
What’s given too little attention in all of the analysis of this issue, including Green’s, is the influence of the North Korean people in a post-Kim North Korea.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Yours was a very interesting analysis of their very interesting analysis.

But indeed, one way that I think their analysis falls short is that it looks at the Chosonese as passive observers. The North Koreans in particular would not take kindly to non-Korean influence in government and would have particular disdain for foreign military presence.

The Chinese-backed state and Russian Zone would quickly become targets, not just of political animosity but possibly of terror-type activities, particularly if there were, to the south (but within DPRK territory) a government that seemed “more Korean.”

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