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		<title>By: KimcheeGI</title>
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		<dc:creator>KimcheeGI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 14:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Feffer &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fpif.org/articles/kim_jong-il_right-wing_mole&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;finally comments&lt;/a&gt;, with his brand of &quot;sarcasm...&quot;  Didn&#039;t go over too well with this GI...but what did one expect.  Note to John: this is not late-night TV material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Feffer <a href="http://www.fpif.org/articles/kim_jong-il_right-wing_mole" rel="nofollow">finally comments</a>, with his brand of &#8220;sarcasm&#8230;&#8221;  Didn&#8217;t go over too well with this GI&#8230;but what did one expect.  Note to John: this is not late-night TV material.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronny D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on the rippling of the hull, experts know that most likely a shape charge was used. This limits the field to modern munitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the rippling of the hull, experts know that most likely a shape charge was used. This limits the field to modern munitions.</p>
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		<title>By: Don McElfresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don McElfresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were no mine reports in the Yellow Sea during the Korean War (1950-1953). All damage and sinkings of American destroyers and minesweepers in that period were in the Japanese Sea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were no mine reports in the Yellow Sea during the Korean War (1950-1953). All damage and sinkings of American destroyers and minesweepers in that period were in the Japanese Sea.</p>
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		<title>By: RDietz</title>
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		<dc:creator>RDietz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have become more and more interested in the Korean situation during the last 12 months or so and am happy to find this Blog. A very good summation of the Cheonan incident so far counseler:0) I shall read on in future

And thak you Mr. Woolley for your interesting disertation on mines...very educational!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have become more and more interested in the Korean situation during the last 12 months or so and am happy to find this Blog. A very good summation of the Cheonan incident so far counseler:0) I shall read on in future</p>
<p>And thak you Mr. Woolley for your interesting disertation on mines&#8230;very educational!</p>
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		<title>By: David Woolley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Woolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t answer jhpigott&#039;s earlier question to me, since I don&#039;t understand South Korean politics, but I can explain a little about mines.   I think there is a possibility of a new Nork mine here, the artillery-laid mine.

1... There are floating, moored mines, those big, horned things one sees on World War Two movies.  They contain several hundred pounds of (a rather slow) high explosive, and are detonated by pressure on the horns, which contain an acid that sets off the explosion.  They are &quot;impact&quot; mines, and occasionally break free from their anchors and float into seaways.  They generally are found in deep water, unlike where Cheosan sank.  They have immense value as an anti-submarine barrier.

2... There are bottom mines, shaped often like torpedoes because they are frequently laid by submarines.  These are not easily moved by fishing nets, are quite difficult to find even by very short wave sonar (not radar) and can even carry nuclear explosives.  They run from 500 to 2000 pounds of HE.  They can be triggered by an enormous variety of means -- electrically from shore, magnetically, acoustically, by pressure wave from a vessel.  They often have combinations,and they often have numerical counters so that the explosion becomes almost random.  They are the nightmare for all NATO captains in shallow water.  They don&#039;t float, they don&#039;t move, they just lie there, deadly.

3...NATO also has artillery-laid anti-tank mines for use on land -- and I have been wondering if the recent artillery splashes in January in this area were delivering a new Nork marine mine by artillery rocket.  The general artillery equation for oomph is &quot;half the cube of the diameter in inches equates to the explosive in pounds&quot;  So a 125 mm shell is 5 inches and holds  about 65 pounds of HE.  Not much for a sea mine.  But a 240mm or 9.5 inch rocket can lay a single 425 pound mine, and that is enough for a big bang in shallow water.   Indeed a rocket may be able to carry more explosive than an artillery shell, so this figure may be conservative.   I&#039;ve been thinking about this for some time:  I can&#039;t find any report that any NATO force has developed such rocket-laid sea mines, since as a whole, NATO hates sea mines since NATO is a sea-projection force.  But there were those very strange artillery duels in January in the West Sea in about this area, and I wonder if the Norks did project such mines.

4...Rocket laid mines would not create a coherent mine field.  It is &quot;international law&quot;  that a country which lays a minefield must disclose its extent.  One can expect the DPRK to ignore this law, but it is a really big deal to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t answer jhpigott&#8217;s earlier question to me, since I don&#8217;t understand South Korean politics, but I can explain a little about mines.   I think there is a possibility of a new Nork mine here, the artillery-laid mine.</p>
<p>1&#8230; There are floating, moored mines, those big, horned things one sees on World War Two movies.  They contain several hundred pounds of (a rather slow) high explosive, and are detonated by pressure on the horns, which contain an acid that sets off the explosion.  They are &#8220;impact&#8221; mines, and occasionally break free from their anchors and float into seaways.  They generally are found in deep water, unlike where Cheosan sank.  They have immense value as an anti-submarine barrier.</p>
<p>2&#8230; There are bottom mines, shaped often like torpedoes because they are frequently laid by submarines.  These are not easily moved by fishing nets, are quite difficult to find even by very short wave sonar (not radar) and can even carry nuclear explosives.  They run from 500 to 2000 pounds of HE.  They can be triggered by an enormous variety of means &#8212; electrically from shore, magnetically, acoustically, by pressure wave from a vessel.  They often have combinations,and they often have numerical counters so that the explosion becomes almost random.  They are the nightmare for all NATO captains in shallow water.  They don&#8217;t float, they don&#8217;t move, they just lie there, deadly.</p>
<p>3&#8230;NATO also has artillery-laid anti-tank mines for use on land &#8212; and I have been wondering if the recent artillery splashes in January in this area were delivering a new Nork marine mine by artillery rocket.  The general artillery equation for oomph is &#8220;half the cube of the diameter in inches equates to the explosive in pounds&#8221;  So a 125 mm shell is 5 inches and holds  about 65 pounds of HE.  Not much for a sea mine.  But a 240mm or 9.5 inch rocket can lay a single 425 pound mine, and that is enough for a big bang in shallow water.   Indeed a rocket may be able to carry more explosive than an artillery shell, so this figure may be conservative.   I&#8217;ve been thinking about this for some time:  I can&#8217;t find any report that any NATO force has developed such rocket-laid sea mines, since as a whole, NATO hates sea mines since NATO is a sea-projection force.  But there were those very strange artillery duels in January in the West Sea in about this area, and I wonder if the Norks did project such mines.</p>
<p>4&#8230;Rocket laid mines would not create a coherent mine field.  It is &#8220;international law&#8221;  that a country which lays a minefield must disclose its extent.  One can expect the DPRK to ignore this law, but it is a really big deal to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now one of the divers &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.monster-island.net/2010/03/death-of-diver-at-site-of-chonan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has been killed&lt;/a&gt; during the rescue and salvage operation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now one of the divers <a href="http://www.monster-island.net/2010/03/death-of-diver-at-site-of-chonan.html" rel="nofollow">has been killed</a> during the rescue and salvage operation.</p>
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		<title>By: jhpigott</title>
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		<dc:creator>jhpigott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/03/30/0200000000AEN20100330009200315.HTML ^ 

S.K. Navy rules out internal explosion as cause of ship sinking 

By Lee Chi-dong SEOUL, March 30 (Yonhap) -- South Korea&#039;s Navy has tentatively concluded that the sinking of a warship last week was not due to an internal explosion, according to a top presidential official Tuesday. 

In his report to President Lee Myung-bak, Navy chief Kim Sung-chan said it is almost certain that the 1,200-ton vessel Cheonan was torn in two due to &quot;powerful outside pressure or an explosion,&quot; according to Lee Dong-kwan, senior secretary for public affairs at the presidential office.

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Ok, starting to get some official conclusions. No internal explosion most likely means either mine or torpedo . . .</description>
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<p>S.K. Navy rules out internal explosion as cause of ship sinking </p>
<p>By Lee Chi-dong SEOUL, March 30 (Yonhap) &#8212; South Korea&#8217;s Navy has tentatively concluded that the sinking of a warship last week was not due to an internal explosion, according to a top presidential official Tuesday. </p>
<p>In his report to President Lee Myung-bak, Navy chief Kim Sung-chan said it is almost certain that the 1,200-ton vessel Cheonan was torn in two due to &#8220;powerful outside pressure or an explosion,&#8221; according to Lee Dong-kwan, senior secretary for public affairs at the presidential office.</p>
<p>- &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - </p>
<p>Ok, starting to get some official conclusions. No internal explosion most likely means either mine or torpedo . . .</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though we don&#039;t have a definitive answer yet, I think it&#039;s prudent to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.monster-island.net/2010/03/discussion-what-should-seoul-do-if-it.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;start considering&lt;/a&gt; the reaction, if any, of the ROK government if this really was a North Korean mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though we don&#8217;t have a definitive answer yet, I think it&#8217;s prudent to <a href="http://www.monster-island.net/2010/03/discussion-what-should-seoul-do-if-it.html" rel="nofollow">start considering</a> the reaction, if any, of the ROK government if this really was a North Korean mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Iwazaru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iwazaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solid stuff, Joshua.  I am with &lt;a href=&quot;http://thethreewisemonkeys.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Three Wise Monkeys&lt;/a&gt; and will post a link to your extensive coverage.  I suggest having a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2918482&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solid stuff, Joshua.  I am with <a href="http://thethreewisemonkeys.com" rel="nofollow">The Three Wise Monkeys</a> and will post a link to your extensive coverage.  I suggest having a look at <a href="http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2918482" rel="nofollow">this</a> as well.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 01:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shinbone wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;he doesnâ€™t look like a military expert, but he DOES look like dr. tobias funke.&lt;/blockquote&gt;And he&#039;s wearing clothes, so he could be a never-nude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shinbone wrote:<br />
<blockquote>he doesnâ€™t look like a military expert, but he DOES look like dr. tobias funke.</p></blockquote>
<p>And he&#8217;s wearing clothes, so he could be a never-nude.</p>
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