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		<title>By: Ray Dietz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Dietz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 15:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again I want to thank Mr. Stanton and all of the thoughtful posters here at OFK. I continue to learn much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again I want to thank Mr. Stanton and all of the thoughtful posters here at OFK. I continue to learn much.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 11:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;gems in the trash&lt;/blockquote&gt;

:)  :)  :)  Thanks for making me start the day with a laugh, Left Flank.  I suppose that metaphor is slightly more complimentary than one about the broken clock being right twice a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>gems in the trash</p></blockquote>
<p> <img src='http://freekorea.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://freekorea.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://freekorea.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Thanks for making me start the day with a laugh, Left Flank.  I suppose that metaphor is slightly more complimentary than one about the broken clock being right twice a day.</p>
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		<title>By: KCJ</title>
		<link>http://freekorea.us/2010/05/28/wheres-the-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-72989</link>
		<dc:creator>KCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 04:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you doubt NK&#039;s brutal repression and persecution of Christians, consider this.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Each year Open Doors releases the &lt;a href=&quot;http://members.opendoorsusa.org/site/DocServer/WWL2010_test.pdf?docID=5801&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;World Watch List&lt;/a&gt;, a detailed analysis of Christian persecution worldwide. In this free resource, countries are evaluated and ranked according to the severity of persecution that occured in the past year.

&lt;strong&gt;This year North Korea again sits at the top the list.&lt;/strong&gt;

&quot;There is no other country in the world where Christians are being persecuted in such a horrible and systematic manner,&quot; says Carl Moeller, President/CEO of Open Doors USA. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/January/N-Korea-Iran-Top-Persecution-Watch-List/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Watch video interview&lt;/a&gt;&gt;&gt;

One expert on North Korea stated: &quot;Christians are the target of fierce government action, and once caught, are not regarded as human. Last year we had evidence that some [of those captured] were used as guinea pigs to test chemical and biological weapons.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Despicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you doubt NK&#8217;s brutal repression and persecution of Christians, consider this.</p>
<blockquote><p>Each year Open Doors releases the <a href="http://members.opendoorsusa.org/site/DocServer/WWL2010_test.pdf?docID=5801" rel="nofollow">World Watch List</a>, a detailed analysis of Christian persecution worldwide. In this free resource, countries are evaluated and ranked according to the severity of persecution that occured in the past year.</p>
<p><strong>This year North Korea again sits at the top the list.</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;There is no other country in the world where Christians are being persecuted in such a horrible and systematic manner,&#8221; says Carl Moeller, President/CEO of Open Doors USA. <a href="http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/January/N-Korea-Iran-Top-Persecution-Watch-List/" rel="nofollow">Watch video interview</a>&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>One expert on North Korea stated: &#8220;Christians are the target of fierce government action, and once caught, are not regarded as human. Last year we had evidence that some [of those captured] were used as guinea pigs to test chemical and biological weapons.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Despicable.</p>
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		<title>By: Left Flank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Flank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 04:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.monster-island.net/2005/11/pax-on-all-your-houses.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is about as complete and entertaining a paean of the theory of geographic &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hegemony&lt;/a&gt; as is to found anywhere. However, for those that espouse power transition theory, or, like me, see pax americana as an episode in the history of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_power_in_international_relations&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;balance of power&lt;/a&gt;, this episode will pass, at the worst bloodily. It behooves a responsible power to transfer its powers wisely before its declining economic and diplomatic powers lead to a contest over its corpse. 

As for your long list of open wounds America keeps cauterizing, they are nonetheless &lt;a href=&quot;http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showpost.php?p=162975&amp;postcount=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;America&#039;s fault&lt;/a&gt;, including Formosa. The rickety infrastructure of corporate links, captured domestic and foreign interest groups and their regulatory agencies, and military bases still can&#039;t justify keeping the wounds bleeding. America&#039;s main interest lies in keeping the air and sea transport links open, and nothing more. On that much, I do agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.monster-island.net/2005/11/pax-on-all-your-houses.html" rel="nofollow">This</a> is about as complete and entertaining a paean of the theory of geographic <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony" rel="nofollow">hegemony</a> as is to found anywhere. However, for those that espouse power transition theory, or, like me, see pax americana as an episode in the history of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_power_in_international_relations" rel="nofollow">balance of power</a>, this episode will pass, at the worst bloodily. It behooves a responsible power to transfer its powers wisely before its declining economic and diplomatic powers lead to a contest over its corpse. </p>
<p>As for your long list of open wounds America keeps cauterizing, they are nonetheless <a href="http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/showpost.php?p=162975&amp;postcount=1" rel="nofollow">America&#8217;s fault</a>, including Formosa. The rickety infrastructure of corporate links, captured domestic and foreign interest groups and their regulatory agencies, and military bases still can&#8217;t justify keeping the wounds bleeding. America&#8217;s main interest lies in keeping the air and sea transport links open, and nothing more. On that much, I do agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: KCJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 04:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s yet &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/5051614030.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another reason&lt;/a&gt; to detest Leftist religious groups and their bizarre approaches to persecuted Christians:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Seemingly, Western church groups, especially, the World Council of Churches, always view South Korea or the U.S. as responsible for &#039;provoking&#039; North Korean aggression.
 
&quot;These church groups not only have been silent about North Korea&#039;s various aggressions, including the recent torpedo attack. Even more egregiously, they are silent or even make absurd excuses for North Korea&#039;s inhuman persecution of Christians. Western church groups often naively visit North Korea&#039;s handful of government-run show churches in Pyongyang.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The World Council of &lt;strike&gt;Churches&lt;/strike&gt; Communists has a great deal to do with the world and almost nothing to do with Church.  This is unconscionable and worthy of the sternist condemnation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s yet <a href="http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/5051614030.html" rel="nofollow">another reason</a> to detest Leftist religious groups and their bizarre approaches to persecuted Christians:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Seemingly, Western church groups, especially, the World Council of Churches, always view South Korea or the U.S. as responsible for &#8216;provoking&#8217; North Korean aggression.</p>
<p>&#8220;These church groups not only have been silent about North Korea&#8217;s various aggressions, including the recent torpedo attack. Even more egregiously, they are silent or even make absurd excuses for North Korea&#8217;s inhuman persecution of Christians. Western church groups often naively visit North Korea&#8217;s handful of government-run show churches in Pyongyang.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The World Council of <strike>Churches</strike> Communists has a great deal to do with the world and almost nothing to do with Church.  This is unconscionable and worthy of the sternist condemnation.</p>
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		<title>By: Han Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Han Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 04:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think the lack of street protests against the North Koreans in the South is a lack of patriotism or anger against the North. It is very tiring to be a South Korean adult. They work the longest hours amongst nations in the OECD and they live in one of the most hyper-materialistic and competitive societies in the world. Also when fighting a war will mean your life is on line and your apartment is within artillery range of the enemy, you start thinking hard rather than acting up.

There are over a million men in South Korea who are on call for the Reserve forces and I am certain quite a few of them were checking their uniforms, combat boots and dog tags when President Lee announced formally that they had found fragments of a North Korean torpedo. The reason they do not join street protests against North Korea is that they are all too aware that when the shit hits the fan, they will be called to do a whole lot more. 

I do not believe anyone who has not served in a military force where combat is imminent can understand what goes on in the minds of 20 and 30-something South Korean males. The most major factor is that really really awful things happening is a major possibility and that they have a lot of stuff to do that is more urgent than shouting at a rally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think the lack of street protests against the North Koreans in the South is a lack of patriotism or anger against the North. It is very tiring to be a South Korean adult. They work the longest hours amongst nations in the OECD and they live in one of the most hyper-materialistic and competitive societies in the world. Also when fighting a war will mean your life is on line and your apartment is within artillery range of the enemy, you start thinking hard rather than acting up.</p>
<p>There are over a million men in South Korea who are on call for the Reserve forces and I am certain quite a few of them were checking their uniforms, combat boots and dog tags when President Lee announced formally that they had found fragments of a North Korean torpedo. The reason they do not join street protests against North Korea is that they are all too aware that when the shit hits the fan, they will be called to do a whole lot more. </p>
<p>I do not believe anyone who has not served in a military force where combat is imminent can understand what goes on in the minds of 20 and 30-something South Korean males. The most major factor is that really really awful things happening is a major possibility and that they have a lot of stuff to do that is more urgent than shouting at a rally.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 03:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I actually agree that USFK should be redeployed. Itâ€™s a libertarian point I want progressives to support.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The imagined cost savings of pulling out US forces is a fantasy of people who do not fully understand how much Northeast Asian peace and stability relies on the unique role of the US presence, and do not have enough creativity to realize how things will precipitately go south not long after the US departure (eventually leading to a war that sucks the US in and costs the US economically in a way that negates the imagined cost savings).  

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.monster-island.net/2005/11/pax-on-all-your-houses.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pax Americana&lt;/a&gt; in Northeast Asia is good for the region, good for the US, and good for our values, but it&#039;s as if the very success of the US presence is being used as a reason to dismantle it. Joshua&#039;s suggestion...&lt;blockquote&gt;Wait till things settle down and withdraw the ground forces. &lt;strong&gt;But the air and naval forces probably contribute more to regional stability than they cost us in political capital&lt;/strong&gt;, and theyâ€™re far enough south that theyâ€™re much less vulnerable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;... is as far as it should ever go. Something on the ground â€”Â a substantial naval base and air base like we already have, and possibly an army base that can be used to train troops and deploy them around Asia â€”Â should remain in order to have utility and to make it absolutely clear to the usual suspects that the Korean Peninsula is hands-off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I actually agree that USFK should be redeployed. Itâ€™s a libertarian point I want progressives to support.</p></blockquote>
<p>The imagined cost savings of pulling out US forces is a fantasy of people who do not fully understand how much Northeast Asian peace and stability relies on the unique role of the US presence, and do not have enough creativity to realize how things will precipitately go south not long after the US departure (eventually leading to a war that sucks the US in and costs the US economically in a way that negates the imagined cost savings).  </p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.monster-island.net/2005/11/pax-on-all-your-houses.html" rel="nofollow">Pax Americana</a> in Northeast Asia is good for the region, good for the US, and good for our values, but it&#8217;s as if the very success of the US presence is being used as a reason to dismantle it. Joshua&#8217;s suggestion&#8230;<br />
<blockquote>Wait till things settle down and withdraw the ground forces. <strong>But the air and naval forces probably contribute more to regional stability than they cost us in political capital</strong>, and theyâ€™re far enough south that theyâ€™re much less vulnerable.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; is as far as it should ever go. Something on the ground â€”Â a substantial naval base and air base like we already have, and possibly an army base that can be used to train troops and deploy them around Asia â€”Â should remain in order to have utility and to make it absolutely clear to the usual suspects that the Korean Peninsula is hands-off.</p>
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		<title>By: angrysoba</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 03:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;A thought experiment: image the outrage weâ€™d see if a U.S. Navy ship had sunk the Cheonan accidentally. &lt;/em&gt;
This is actually one of the conspiracy theories of â€œunofficial North Korea spokesmanâ€, Kim Myong Chol:

http://atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LE26Dg01.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>A thought experiment: image the outrage weâ€™d see if a U.S. Navy ship had sunk the Cheonan accidentally. </em><br />
This is actually one of the conspiracy theories of â€œunofficial North Korea spokesmanâ€, Kim Myong Chol:</p>
<p><a href="http://atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LE26Dg01.html" rel="nofollow">http://atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LE26Dg01.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Stanton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 03:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, battle buddy, I&#039;m sure if I ever read your blog, I&#039;d find some gems in your trash, too.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, battle buddy, I&#8217;m sure if I ever read your blog, I&#8217;d find some gems in your trash, too.  <img src='http://freekorea.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Left Flank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Flank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 02:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from a sincere effort to keep it fair and balanced - hah! - various conservative bloggers have caused my gorge to rise for years. But, there are gems in the trash, whether it&#039;s straight facts or info on what&#039;s happening with the activist groups. And, no matter what is said, we&#039;re both always soldiers. My battle buddy in BCT was a Pentecostal Christian who annoyed me to no end about religion and his conservative opinions, but after two years of training and all these years after our discharges, I&#039;d guard him and his family with my life like nothing changed. I actually agree that USFK should be redeployed. It&#039;s a libertarian point I want progressives to support. But, as Charli Carpenter has argued, this has to happen in the context of a long-term plan with ample provision for human security and human rights. 

And, Noam deserves our money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from a sincere effort to keep it fair and balanced &#8211; hah! &#8211; various conservative bloggers have caused my gorge to rise for years. But, there are gems in the trash, whether it&#8217;s straight facts or info on what&#8217;s happening with the activist groups. And, no matter what is said, we&#8217;re both always soldiers. My battle buddy in BCT was a Pentecostal Christian who annoyed me to no end about religion and his conservative opinions, but after two years of training and all these years after our discharges, I&#8217;d guard him and his family with my life like nothing changed. I actually agree that USFK should be redeployed. It&#8217;s a libertarian point I want progressives to support. But, as Charli Carpenter has argued, this has to happen in the context of a long-term plan with ample provision for human security and human rights. </p>
<p>And, Noam deserves our money!</p>
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